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WHO "CHOOSES" AND WHO "CHASES?" MEN OR WOMEN?
There's one factor that is common to all who experience problems with MOTOS (Members Of The Opposite Sex) versus those who don't.
Simply put, those who are satisfied with their level of success have control over their dating lives, and those who aren't...don't.
When your dating life is "out of control," that's precisely when you are in very real danger of becoming a "chaser" rather than a chooser.
In other words, because you don't feel as if you have OPTIONS, every interaction with every woman becomes all-important.
After all, if she "rejects" you, it's back to the drawing board...
Just about every day it seems I get an e-mail or two from a guy who believes that WOMEN are uniquely and invariably the "choosers," while men are the "chasers."
And although I don't believe it necessarily has to be that way, these men sure tend to have a firmly-held belief in that regard.
After all, to the average guy it really does look like attractive hotties call all the shots. Tons of guys approach, and tons of guys get "rejected." Only a select few "golden boys" get past her defenses and are offered the chance to "impress her."
Now I'll be the first to admit to you that those women are indeed "choosers."
And guess what? If you fall in line trying to "impress her," you're chasing.
But here's a shocking revelation for you.
Just about every day, we get an e-mail (or four) from a WOMAN who believes MEN are the "choosers," and that she as a woman is left to do the "chasing."
And she's 100% correct also.
How can this be?
Yes, the one with the OPTIONS is in control, no doubt. But there's something deeper at play here when it comes to "choosing" vs. "chasing."
And you know what? The deeper issue is indeed VERY gender specific, unlike the baseline factor of having control over your dating life.
The truth is that BOTH genders are CHASING something.
And BOTH genders, once they understand what MOTOS really want, have the power to be selective in giving it to them.
As a man, you've probably already figured out that guys tend to "chase" sex. Women who are sexually attractive to us tend to be immediately desirable.
So the battle cry of the man who feels women have all the power in relationships is, "Yeah, but SHE can get laid anytime she wants...it's US GUYS who have to try so hard!"
Want to know something? It's PRECISELY that one-dimensional way of thinking that's KEEPING YOU in "chaser mode."
If you are frustrated with the power women seem to have over you, that's why.
So what's the secret here?
Let me challenge you: What if you could get outside of your own head for a moment and get into the head of a woman?
Like I said, we get letters from women who believe MEN have ALL THE POWER.
How can that be?
Easy. It's just that men and women are chasing after DIFFERENT OUTCOMES.
Women aren't chasing sex. Women who are "chasers" are typically chasing COMMITMENT.
A woman who feels her dating life is out of control is likely frustrated because she feels a fantastic long-term relationship is out of her reach.
Need proof? Google "dating advice for women" and look at the titles of the various books and programs out there. There aren't many "get laid quick" books for women, are there?
Yet, women's dating advice is plentiful and apparently necessary. And almost all of it focuses on getting a man to stick around and commit. Even Emily's Click With Him program is no exception.
So what does all this mean in practical terms?
(Make sure you are sitting down for this.)
What this means to YOU is that making the shift from CHASER to CHOOSER is absolutely, positively within your grasp.
But you're going to have to make a radical mind shift.
If you are sex-focused, you are--by definition, mind you--HANDING OVER all the power to women. You are putting them in the "catbird's seat" as far as being the choosers YOU are chasing.
Meanwhile, the man who knows how to IGNITE FEMININITY understands women. He understands the more holistic gift that a great woman represents to him.
What's more, he also inherently recognizes that a great man?confident, masculine, able to give her security, and of unmistakable character?is IMMENSELY VALUABLE to women everywhere.
Basically, he knows that a "great catch" is so sought after by women that they will do exactly that...they will seek after it.
In other words, if YOU can be that guy, women will CHASE YOU.
And make no mistake. It's not like you have to COMMIT to every woman who desires you any more than a beautiful woman has to have sex with every guy who's chasing her.
Simply BEING THE MAN who represents to women the potential fulfillment of her dreams and desires is where the magic lies.
But here's the crazy part: your sexual frustrations will likely vanish into thin air in the process.
When you TAKE THE LEAD and represent to a woman exactly what she wants, she'll respond by offering YOU what YOU want in hopes of getting what she's "chasing."
Now listen, I don't advocate taking advantage of women sexually.
I don't recommend that any more than I recommend you becoming a "sexless boyfriend" to any of the women you've been chasing in the past.
What I AM saying, is that you will NEVER AGAIN "chase" sexual fulfillment.
Instead, your eyes will be opened to an almost surreal world where women desire MORE of you than LESS of you. Women will call YOU more often. They will write you letters. They will cook you dinner. They will rub your back. They will GLOW when you look at them.
All without you having to beg, grovel or otherwise resign your manhood.
After all, beggars can't be choosers.
Girl Method - www.winggirlmethod.com):I am constantly getting emails from men around the world asking for advice on women. I thought I would share one of these emails with you because I think it is something you can learn from.
This email was written by a 26 year old man in London. He totally has his outer game down pat and his actions should be able to get him most women he wants. Pay attention to the negs he uses, because these are lines you may want to incorporate into your routine.
The one thing he does not have down is how to transition from outer game to a more substantial “connecting” with the girl he's persuing. Without this connecting, your outer game will be wasted.
If you cannot transition from being the entertainer to being the man, then you will never truly be successful with women. Below is his email to the Wing Girls, and my response follows.
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Dear Wing Girls,
It was a singles' social boat cruise, and the following are the events that happened with one of the cuties I am really interested in. Need some opinion how to pick up the momentum.
Thursday Night: It was a singles' social event, and I was moving around groups of women, busting on them and teasing some. This particular cutie that caught my eye I approached by grabbing her by her arm and telling follow me. She came along willingly.
something up. We part.
The next hour, we exchange glances and I throw a few “I'm watching you” and “Stay out of trouble” lines at her, at which she giggles (most probably from a nice dosage of alcohol consumption.)
Friday: Cool off
Saturday: Message her to check if she got home alive and ask for her email address. She replies ok and gives me her email address.
Sunday Morning: Call and leave a message. She calls back and we have a chat about setting a date, but we both have commitments. She mentions briefly to touch base next weekend if we can do something together. I say, “Ok, we'll see.”
I then ask her what is she up to? It's almost noon, and why is she lazing like a pig? She giggle and says she has plans with some friends to watch Sex and the City.
Called her at 22:30, went to her voice mail, I say, “Ahh, playing hard to get? Cheeky! Holla back!” Not heard from her since.
Tuesday 11PM, sent her a funny text: "It's important to find a man who has money, a man who adores you, a man who is great in the sack. It's also important that these 3 men should never meet! How are you doing?" Did not receive any reply.
Any opinion as to how I can pick my game up again?
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I will share my response a little later, but I wanted to use this email to show you an example of how many men can get carried away with too much outer game. So carried away that they lose the girl.
Listen, I am the first one to admit I LOVE THE GAME!! I love the banter, the butterflies, the negging, all of it. It is fun, but only for a night, maybe two tops. After that, I need something a little more substantial.
When I met Mystery at David DeAngelo's seminar, where we were both speaking, I can honestly say he captivated me.
He was able to pull me away from a crowd of people, talk with me for two hours, and keep me completely focused on him. I understand how his game works, and it worked on me.
It worked on me because it was fun and exciting and it challenged me. I did not feel madly in love with him, nor did I think we had a great connection, but I had an urge for him to like me, respect me and want me. But once we had separated, I did not think of him again.
His magic only worked for a short period of time because I had nothing real to latch onto so that I could feel connected. I was simply entertained.
I have many clients that have done several PUA programs. These men have no problems engaging and approaching women, but after that they are helpless. They do not know how to have real conversations, nor do they listen to women. Basically they have learned to tap dance for women, and once the dance is over the women leave.
I am a big fan of programs like Mystery's because he teaches men to be comfortable in their own skins. He shows them they can be that guy they have always wanted to be. They are worthy and deserving of everything that others have. I would recommend his material to any one of my clients.
But...where his program falls short is that it does not teach men what to do next. It is hard to keep up banter. It gets exhausting.
I am going to give you a straight and honest female perspective.
As a man, you have to give women a little more than just a moment of entertainment. If your goal is to get a woman to sleep with you for an evening, then outer game works great! Routines, magic tricks, anything that captures your audience and gets them excited will work perfectly.
But if you are looking to be with a woman for a longer period of time you will never succeed without showing a bit more substance. This is what makes connecting with her possible, and without that, your outer game is useless.
Here is how I responded to the email above.
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What I noticed from your email is that you need to STOP playing a game. Games like this are good in the moment. They are fun and entertaining and get a girl's heart racing, but once this moment or period in time has passed, reality sets in and girls realize what this behavior really means. It means player, games, and sex with no phone call the next day.
Again, if you want to sleep with women, great tactic, but you need to move fast or the euphoric feeling will disappear. If your goal is to date and have relationships, then you are totally using the wrong approach.
Not sure what you were trying to accomplish. The routine you have described will totally get a girl back to your room if you take the right steps to lead her there. Seeing that you took your time makes me think you were looking for something more.
One other key thing I noticed was the Sex and the City joke. First, very impressed you knew the characters. Second, no woman wants to be referred to as a Samantha by a man who is trying to sleep with her. It makes her feel slutty and used. It also makes her think that there is only one thing on that man's mind, and that makes her feel dirty. Women want to be in control of their own sexuality and know that they are being respected.
Do not pigeon hole women by telling them who they are. Let them tell you who they are. You will get way more out a woman that way. To save yourself from this comment, it would have been smart to send her better text that had more heart attached to it, more of the “real” you. I think you would have gotten a response.
What I try to teach to all of my clients is that balance is so important. Outer game is fun and exciting, and most women, especially the great ones, will engage in it. But every outer game needs to have some substance behind it. It's all about connecting, because once you run out of outer game, you need to make sure you have something left.
I'd like to share something with the list which I've been working on for awhile. It's getting me a bit of a reputation in London for regularly scoring same night lays almost every time I go out. Although I think the majority of my recent successes are due to calibration (i.e. just knowing instinctively which girls will leave with me same night) I've also been experimenting with an SNL process which seems to be pretty solid.
I was never particularly impressed with the 8 hours till you fuck her MM ideas which some people support. For one, I'm fucking impatient, and for two, I knew that some of the naturals I'd met regularly got girls in less than an hour, often fucking them in the venue. They'd tell me stories about how they woke up in the morning next to some girl and they didn't even know each others' names...not because they forgot, but because it just never came up. They'd just say that the whole thing happened so fast that both of them just got caught up in it and had to fuck...
This post is my breakdown of the process by which these super fast lays happen. This is exactly like normal game, but on a dramatically reduced timeframe. The rewards vs. time spent are much higher, and the only down side is that you don't have the option to make many mistakes. This is mainly due to the fact you are making some big short cuts.
The perfect approach would go something like this:
Walk towards a target girl. Get eye contact and mouth 'hey' when you are about 3/4 metres away. Make sure you smile. You could probably skip this step, so if your already approaching a girl and she doesn't see you, carry on as if she did.
Close the distance between you and hold out your hands for her to hold. Once she holds them, pull her into you and move her around for a while. I'm a shit dancer and I generally do a fast waltz type thing which involves lots of small circles and basically spins her around quite a few times. I really don't think what you actually do matters much, it's more about leading her and being dominant as well as moving her enough to disorient her slightly.
After a minute or so of that, start grinding with her. Put your hands on her waist and squeeze her ass from time to time, also let your hands wander deliberately over her whole body.
Once you have been doing this for a few minutes, get her pushed up against a wall or stationary object and start kissing her. This should be full on kissing with tongues preferably. Do this right and she will become very attracted.
After a few minutes of that check for logistics. Find out who she's with, what her plans are for later, etc. If she's with a group this is the point where you have to meet them to see if any of them will try and cock block.
To soften the harshness of just blatantly asking logistics questions, intersperse them with kissing and “you're cute/sexy” or whatever you feel fits.
If you get a positive vibe and logistics questions answered well (i.e. she's with some friends who like you, no plans for later, etc.) take her to a quiet part of the venue. I highly recommend looking for these parts of the venue before hitting on any girls...
In the quiet part of the venue you have one of two options, you can go straight for the extraction after a bit more kissing OR you can start qualifying. I recommend qualifying because at the end of the day you want to make sure that your same night lay isn't going to be shit and there are always other girls in the venue...
My most recent conversation at this stage went like this:
: OK.: Yes of course. I can't believe you just asked me that.: No. OMG do you ask this to all the girls?: Yeah. It's ok, I like it from time to time.: Once, it was fun. starts testing me for 5 minutes, and after I ask her if she wanted wants me to leave (I really was prepared to walk) she says that we can go back to her place, but we're not having sex...etc. After about 5 minutes walk to her place (with her testing me the whole way) I fuck her almost immediately on getting in the house. Total contact time about 15 minutes.
This type of method is a very quick way to weed out girls who will not fuck the first night. It's very efficient. You could run this on 5 different girls and if you get to the isolation stage with more than 1 you will almost definitely fuck somebody. Obviously it's best not to do this with girls you don't want to fuck, and hopefully you'll all be beyond “warming up” on the unfuckable ones.
The only thing to keep in mind is that once you start this approach, you have to be committed to escalation 100%. If you get a positive reaction to the “hey,” you can likely fuck the girl same night if you don't act weird, get unlucky with logistics, or fuck up the sexual vibe somewhere along the line.
Two things to remember ALWAYS. These apply here ESPECIALLY but are obviously general rules for any PU.
1. Do not look to the girl for signs of approval. If she is still being compliant she approves.
2. Do not hesitate at any step. Especially not when it comes to physical contact. If you hesitate it will creep the girl out and she will drop the sexual vibe.
I can't over emphasise the hesitation point enough. It's definitely better to do something she doesn't like and have her tell you to stop than to hesitate.
Given that this whole PU from meet to sex should last less than 30 minutes, depending on logistics, it should be one of the easiest ways to get laid from bars and clubs.
The only caveat with this “method” is that you will most probably get tested a lot. Expect this, because the girl has to make sure your not a psycho and is about to put herself potentially in danger with a random guy. Just act cool and ignore/deflect any questions and you will get her, no problem. Here are some examples from last night.
: You only want to use me for sex don't you?: You know we aren't having sex right?: How many girls have you slept with?. The reason why they are testing you is because they know what they are about to do. The more tests you pass the less likely they are to give LMR.
Although this is an SNL model, if you get a bad answer to the logistics questions you can always just isolate, get her number/set a date, and then move on to other girls. You should still be sub communicating all the right things so it will likely be a very solid foundation for the next time you see her.
I had a few guys ask me what my success rate is with this and I'm happy to say that my personal results are great, but it's really a pointless question. It's like asking how many minutes do I have to wait till I can kiss a girl. Bottom line, I don't know how many blowouts you are personally going to have to go through till you can pull this off consistently. Some guys will do it the first time, some will never do it. Are you a quick learner? Are you going to be able to take the feedback from the blowout and improve? How much behavioural flexibility do you have? The variables are endless.
The only answer to how long will it take to get this working is asking how long will it take for you to be comfortable doing it.
For my personal results, last Sunday I walked into a venue, looked around for isolation spots and found a few, then went onto the dance floor. As I was walking down the stairs to the dance floor I mouthed “hi” to some girl dancing. I was fucking her in her house 15 minutes later. That was the first girl I approached in the venue. I've had nights where I've had to open 5 girls before I found one with good logistics, and other nights where it was much quicker.
What I am trying to explain is that just because I can do that doesn't mean that will be the way it is for YOU.
I'd say anyone could get very good consistency using this method BUT you have to be very comfortable doing the process so fast. A lot of guys will read this and think, how can this work, there's no comfort or rapport or whatever...the problem these guys face is that THEY need these things in order to feel comfortable, not the girl.
To do this successfully, you need to feel really comfortable escalating very fast. The method assumes rapport and comfort, so you also have to be able to act like both these things are already there. If you're not comfortable, you will either get blown out because you lack the right vibe, or you will revert to your standard game because that is your habitual behaviour.
I'd say my game is based on having spent a lot of time developing three things:
1. Behavioural flexibility
2. Calibration
3. Smoothness/vibing
I can see who things would work on, and instinctively get a feel for the right kind of approach. The way you get that is by trying lots of different 'methods' and going through the pain period of blowouts until you get them working for you. Everything works, the only question is can you make it work FOR YOU.
A lot of guys get a system which works for them and then just keep using that system. I'm literally obsessed with efficiency and self improvement so I'll try lots of different things. Even now I'm currently trying to push the boundaries of what I can do and I'm going out every weekend trying new things which don't always work.
As a result of focusing on PU in a borderline obsessive way for almost 7 years I've got to a point where I can do some things very well. Having gone out and done these things over and over again I've come to the point where I can see things other people can't see, and because of that, I can do things other people don't think they can do.
What I'd suggest if you like the sound of this process is you forget about every question you have, remember the basic structure and go out and properly try it. Doing it 10 times irrespective of outcome will answer every question for you much better than I can.
Anyway I'll look forward to hearing what you guys think of this and also how well it works for you, so do let me know if you try it out...
Last night I experienced a problem and was hoping I could get some advice on what I should have done.
I was invited by my cousin to a party where I didn't know anyone else. I'm quite socially comfortable outside of dating, so this didn't worry me. I introduced myself and chatted a bit with everyone there, and the last person I spoke to was a pretty but shy girl.
Quickly there was a connection. We weren't flirting, but she was clearly enjoying my company, we shared a sense of humour, and everything was going great. This is when a spanner was thrown in the works!
Another attractive but decidedly un-classy and rather drunk girl whom I'd been talking to earlier came over and started hitting on me. Normally this would have been fine, but I was really interested in the girl I was already talking to. I was sitting on the sofa with a girl on either side of me!
The one I liked seemed reserved and classy, so I didn't think she would be impressed if I showed this other girl too much interest. I figured it would look like I was just trying to get laid and I didn't care whom with. These two girls were about as different as it's possible to be.
What are everyone's thoughts on this? Should I have flirted a bit with the girl I wasn't into as social proof, and played hard to get with the one I liked?
Or, should I have focused on the one I liked to display that it was more than a physical thing (which was the truth?) Thanks a lot.
Clifford's Comments: You might have considered gently taking the hand of the girl you were interested in and telling the other one, "You'll have to excuse us, but I need to discuss something with her," and then just going somewhere else away from the one you didn't want to talk to. By doing this, you would have taken the lead, shown the one you are interested in that you are capable of handling an uncomfortable situation and doing it gracefully. Taking her by the hand and leading her away would also be a very attractive move to the girl you were interested in, but it needs to be done like a gentleman.
HB8 F-Close (3 days of solid game)
It took me 3 days of work to f-close this HB8 but it was a good way to implement all the techniques and routines I've learned in the past few months of intensive training as a PUA. I'm pretty satisfied with the results. Here's the FR.
Went to this exclusive club with my pivot. Entered thanks to her friend who was already there. I merged with her group with high energy and cocky-funny attitude. My pivot helped a lot in building social proof and pre-selection in the club. I focus on my target. I throw a DHV story and start negging her. Attraction is built.
I keep with my energetic attitude. She gives me some IOIs. I open different sets and make some friends. I facebook-close HB7 and open a 2 set (HB9) in front of the group. I go back to the target and run another multi-thread story. I decide it's too early to isolate. Time to go. At this point I use my left/right brain routine and I neg the girl again. She gets offended. (Overnegging and lack of calibration are some of my sticking points.)
We go to a café. Now I'm in group with 4 girls + my pivot. I try to take control by using another DHV story. It works, but it's not easy to keep the attention of 4 girls at 4 am. I facebook close her because isolation was impossible.
I wait 2 days before contacting her. And 5 days before seeing her again.
Again we go to lunch with her group (4 girls + potential AMOG.) No pivot for me this time. We are watching a soccer game, so the restaurant is full of people. I keep the energetic attitude and try to recalibrate with her considering the previous overnegging. But I spend more time talking to the AMOG and to strangers...cocky-funny always on.
After the game, there are some journalists from the TV. She throws a shit test by telling me to go and be interviewed. I immediately go. She's stunned by my lack of shyness a my ability to speak in front of a camera. Huge DHV.
The AMOG leaves. I manage to bounce the group to another place for an ice cream. This time I decide to pay (only because the last time they had paid for my drinks!) and I try to strengthen my friendship with the AFOG (Alpha Female Of the Group.) More DHV and cocky-funny.
After 20 minutes I decide to stop on a high energy level saying I have to go. 2 girls offer me to give me a ride (including my target.) The AFOG leaves on her own. I say "Let's walk, and I'll make my decision." In the end I manage to isolate with my target on a bench in a park. I say I could only stay for a few minutes but I thought her body language was really interesting and her eye movement showed that she had a strong, loyal character, and that she was very ambitious.
At this point I run the CUBE...Good stuff. She likes it. I do some kino. She complies, but I decide not to escalate (in retrospect, maybe I could have.) Anyway, she drives me back to the metro station. And she invites me to the restaurant where she works. I say maybe.
I start feeling some symptoms of oneitis due to the fact that this HB8 is very interesting and challenging, and she's got a great career and strong personality. I realize I need to sarge. My Wings are not available. I call a "student." As DavidD says, having a student to teach is as useful as a Wing or a natural you can learn from.
We do some street game and pub game. And by chance, we bump into her group (AFOG, etc.) The target is still working, but she shows up half an hour later. I'm still on high energy. I open a 3 set on my right and befriend the other AMOGs. I say I gotta leave soon because some friends were waiting for me somewhere else (not true.) I can see she's attracted...I take out a piece of paper and a pencil and give it to her. She writes her phone number. I say bye to everybody and leave.
It's one on one. I arrange the meeting near my place. She calls me saying she has arrived. I go out, but then say that I forgot my cell phone and ask her to come with me upstairs. I test her compliance. She feels comfortable in my room (she doesn't really want to leave, I didn't expect that.) But I want to be 100% sure. I show her something on my PC. She's interested. Then I say, "We're late, it's time to go. Maybe later...”
We go out to a lounge bar. More ESP and some psychological tests (including a lot of kino). 1 DHV story and then some more energetic attitude calibrated with a lot of comfort. This time I make her qualify too. I also create a frame of boyfriend/girlfriend by asking the waitress, in a very ironic way, what she honestly thinks of us as a couple. First impression from outside...
Half an hour later at my place, f-closing was the easiest thing in the world.
The good thing about this story is that I managed to test most of the theoretical stuff I learned. It took some time, but it was good practice for me. The target was extremely challenging for her charisma and strong attitude (especially at the beginning.) She's a girl of high value. I also managed to identify a few sticking points which I need to get rid of asap.
Any comments or feedback will be highly appreciated. Ciao.
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