Another example of being used to make the BF jealous

Ross Jeffries: > Cliff's Comments: Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction finally made it to Montreal this past weekend August 9, 10 & 11. Attendees flew in from as far away as Australia to attend and there were some powerful changes effected in the seminar on some of the participants. A couple of guys who were shy and never previously able to approach women lost their hesitations and were out doing what was next to impossible just days earlier.

Ross: Yes. This is one of the major "ups" I have on my alleged "competition". I can take guys who are so totally shy, they can't even talk with women (and some are so shy, they can't talk with ANY stranger, male or female), run them few a couple of simple processes, and then they are out meeting women with NO fear and total comfort, in a matter of MINUTES after doing the processes. Now, you can "be a man" and FORCE yourself to do things while in a fearful state, or you can avail yourself of top technology. You can crawl across the desert on your hands and knees, half-dead and half-dying from thirst, or roar across on an air-conditioned, enclosed ATV, blasting your favorite music on the sound-system, sipping cool drinks. YOUR choice. > Dave Riker provided a linear guideline giving structure to Speed Seduction, and some of the participants had a response to his training with a major understanding breakthrough. Dr. Yates started the seminar days off with his teaching of the power of words and gave presented ritu
als for energy transformation. Local SS success story Tristan spoke about his years of being put in the "friends" category and final escape from a very long eriod of no sexual contact through SS , clearly making a massive improvement to his life.

Ross: I loved having Tristan there to share his story. I think it is VERY inspirational. He went from NO sex in 7 years to 10 full closes in 9 months. That is a MASSIVE improvement any way you slice it. >Ross got off the plane last Wednesday and headed immediately to Schwartz's for a fix of Montreal's famous smoked meat.

Ross: Damn, I LOVE that place. > He was in great form Friday morning and, as usual, out did himself from the previous seminars I have been to of his. A review of this seminar should be appearing soon on www.fas.speed-seduction.com by Formhandle and Tokyo- PUA who came in from Boston to attend.

Ross: I think they were quite pleasantly surprised, but let us wait to see. > The good news is that Yates and Ross really liked Montreal and Yates was pretty definite that they will be back with more seminars being held here.

Ross: I can promise we will be back. > The rest of Ross's seminar schedule for 2002 can be found on the Cliff's List Website at www.geocities.com/cliff604/CliffsList.html, and on Ross's at www.speed-seduction.com/ .

Ross: Officially, our last seminar of the year will be in Palo Alto, California, home to thousands of lovely Stanford University Co-eds. Sept 13, 14, 15. > GameMaster: I think the real difference with what's going on now is that I am very comfortable with who I am and have sort of found some inner high ground to work from. Hell Cliff, I'm at least 10 pounds heavier than during stripperville days when I was trying SO hard. I can't leave the house anymore without meeting somebody in some sort of seemingly fated type way. It's crazy, just the zone. Can't explain it. And I've just been doing rapport and the general skill set things from SS . Using a lot of hypnosis over the phone which is just devastating. Alley has her first session scheduled for tonite. She never responded to the patterns and made mention of back when I was trying to "seduce me with all those canned speeches." Tough chick : )

Ross: Well, patterns are A LOT more than canned speeches. You're using the old stuff. > GameMaster: I don't know how it all came together, either. All I can tell you is I'm brutally honest with these girls about what I do, I'm not always available cause I'm not always available and that keeps the intrigue meter pegged,

Ross: Being brutally honest is a big part of it. I'd skip the "brutality" part and keep the total honesty. It is a huge challenge and sets the right frame for the rest of it to work through. > GameMaster: I'm sensitive to but not always responsive to their needs, there's some emotional detachment they have to deal with cause I've always got one foot out the door,

Ross: Being open and friendly in your deeds but reserved and somewhat closed in your energy is VERY devastatingly attractive. I explicitly teach how to do this.

GameMaster (continuing tales in the saga of a man "in the zone"): Oh yeah...Beth. Well, it started the day she moved in. First day out of the gate I took over a nice bottle of Merlot as a welcoming gift. Her BF was there and I just barged in the house, opened the wine and asked where the glasses were. She didn't have any so I came back to the house and returned with 3 glasses, her BF was steaming when I returned and just walked in the back door like I've done 1000 times like I owned the place. This is the same house that we used for all those parties a few years back when I had the girls here and the boys next door had 3 strippers living with them (fun times). Anyway, Beth and I were drinking wine and chatting it up like old friends while this fat fuck douchebag shot arrows through me that nite. Beth told me the next day she was warned to "stay away from him!" hahahaha Dude signed his own death warrant and didn't even know it. So, now I go to work on her parents who were driving in from about
60 miles away to help with decorating and the lawn and stuff. I took her mom to the mall one day cause she was all the time getting lost ....her mother fucking loves me!!!! And I took over the lawn mowing chores from her dad, and do a better job I might add - all cause I'm such a sweet guy right? Well, Beth is working these 80 hour shifts at the hospital and comes home too worn out to spend any time fixing things up but she came home a few weeks ago and her yard was immaculate (hey, I need the exercise and I'm working on my tan : ) and she calls her fatfuck BF to thank him for mowing the grass and like an idiot he says "I didn't do it!" She got the same story from Dad so I was the only person left that may have been the knight in shining armor so she comes knocking on the door. Well, I was ready for her and in the process of remodeling my dining room so now I'm asking her opinion and shit about drapes and we're touring around and she likes what she sees I guess. So I invite her to go shopping with me to help
pick out new drapes for the dining room. So here we go shopping now like a fuckin' married couple and everything is all cool and we're flirting and shopping and flirting and shopping...you know how that goes. She bought dinner that nite and told the BF all about our adventure and of course she caught hell. Well, a few weeks went by and I didn't have a chance to speak to her but I kept up my lawn maintenance duties and she was noticing. Caught her out in the driveway the other day as she was coming home from work and she was all smiles and everything, gave me a big hug and thanked me for doing her such a big favor. I told her this "Beth, I don't mind doing this, you have your career you need to concentrate on and I'm happy to help out for now. But I do have this to say.....you have a boyfriend, right? Well you need to tell him to get off his fat ass and get his lazy butt over here and do this for you, that's what BF 's are for last I heard." Well, she was floored....first stunned, then she just doubled over la
ughing. So now I'm laughing too and I use my favorite line "I'm sorry, I have this problem with......boldness." More laughter, hugging, hahahaha you know the scene. Anyway, as we're talking I notice she's sporting some hardware on her left hand that still has the price tag on it basically. "Beth, what is that on your left hand?" as serious as I could be. So she tells me that her BF gave it to her over the weekend. I just looked at her long and disapprovingly....long silence and I said 'Beth, I'm going to tell you something and I want you to take it the right way....from a man's perspective, I'll bet green money that ring has more to do with me than it does you....you're a wonderful catch Beth and if I were in the position I'd put a ring on your finger too but I'd do it for a different reason. You're being controlled and this is just the icing on the cake. Just my objective opinion as a friend." Well, she couldn't believe what I told her, apparently her friend had the same attitude about the whole thing. Furth
ermore "Beth you just graduated from med school, that is an awesome achievement and you'll go far....you haven't even started to live yet and you're going to tie yourself down to some fat bastard that won't even take out the garbage and whose apparent sole mission in life is to tell you what you can and can't do! (I hate this guy.) Beth, your whole world is staring you right in the face. In fact you can see your next adventure right in front of you and all you have to do is reach out and touch it, and wait for the magic to just wrap you up like two strong.....blah blah blah..." Cliff, she was in such a trance by now I could have fucked her out on the lawn but I was partially working it on her and partially steaming myself cause I really do dislike this fat cocksucker and I seriously want him out of my neighborhood. Anyway, I got off my soapbox and she's got this stunned look on her face and finally breaks the silence with "What kind of cookies do you like?" Still in serious mode "Am I gonna get cookies every
time I remind you what a jerk your BF is?" That one got me a hug...."Are you going to be home tonite?" I said yeah, for a while and she tells me she's going to the store to get stuff to make me cookies and she'll be over in an hour or so. So a few hours later I'm on the phone with Dr. Alex Bender and we're laughing our ass off at all the other shit going on and Beth knocks on the door...she's got a basket of cookies for me...gives me a peck on the cheek and takes off. Now Dr. Alex hears all this going on and I tell him the story and we're laughing some more and the next thing I know the BF is burning rubber out of her driveway....didn't know he was there. Anyway, I'm postulating that he was pretty pissed about those Goddamn cookies and you know me, I want to let things foment a few days before moving in but Dr. Alex was insistent "GO GET HER MAN...RIGHT NOW...DO IT DO IT GODDAMNIT!!" hahaha Too funny. So I grabbed a bottle of wine and a corkscrew and two antique silver goblets and went skipping over next door
. Beth answered the door, took one look at me...looked down at what was in my hands and started laughing... "You handled this pretty good" she says. I couldn't agree more! : ) She'd already decided she was going to fuck me when she saw me standing in her doorway but I took her through the drill on the couch anyway...modified blammo, dream lover, hot guy....several submodalities later which I probably didn't have to do but I think it pays to sink the hook when you have the chance....anyway, she's toast and we start kissing...kiss kiss lick nibble kiss bite, you know the drill. So, this is funny, I've got her straddling me now and we've got all this contact working in my favor and she pulls back and says "I don't have any protection." Well, she's a Goddamn doctor so I figured I'd better be prepared so I tell her 'hang on" and I reach in my pocket and pull out about 6 Magnum XL's and casually tossed them on the coffee table. Beth looked at me and I've got this innocent choirboy look on my face and she just buste
d out laughing. I'm rolling on the floor just thinking about it cause it was sort of a funny moment. We were still laughing ten minutes later as I'm gathering these little fun packs up in my left hand, her up in my right hand and carried her into the kitchen "Lock the door" ......carried to the front door, the back door, more laughter kiss kiss ...I just had enough energy to get her to her bedroom where I didn't encounter any resistance. Anyway, good thing we had the presence of mind to lock the doors cause 30 minutes later the phone is ringing off the wall. You could hear this guy raging on the answering machine...sounded a little like me 4 years ago before I grew up. He must have called about 6-8 times before we hear somebody banging on the door, then the kitchen door, scream scream yell holler scream......I reached over and turned off the light cause I knew the windows were next and sure enough ...bang bang on the bedroom window....more hollering and screaming. Beth was freaking out so I figured this was a
good time to go down on her to sort of take her mind off things....it worked. Anyway, fuckhead finally left, called 3-4 more times and left more nasty messages. It was a little after 2 AM when Beth reminded me she had to be at the hospital at 5:00 so I grabbed my boxers and limped the 50 feet home with clothes and shoes in hand. Must have been a real sight to the neighbors who used to be accustomed to such things going on over here. That was Tuesday and I haven't seen her or talked to her so I don't know what's going on. hahahaha I'm evil. Here's the best part.....Beth let's all her friends bring their dogs over and leave them in the back yard during work. Well today I met her best friend who was leaving her dog off and this one is fierce. Christina....sort of rolls of your tongue, don't it? Christina is a 9+ in anybody's book. Looks like a Libra and ain't wearing no hardware. She said "I heard your were very charming." We're having dinner this weekend. A cross between my ex and Renee Russo basically with an
MD. I should be killed. More news. I sort of deconstructed the network the past few days. Gone are Raya, Nancy (big time), Shannon (no class), and unfortunately Alley. I just came to the conclusion there were too many core issues to deal with and we've been at war for 3 days over Felicia and other things so I pulled the plug. I talked to Felicia about this today and that girl just trips me out. Best friend, my ass! She's got me pegged as Mr. Backup no doubt when her cute little Gemini ass goes through the change. Twins remember, and she hasn't experienced it yet. My first wife Debbie who was the coolest, funniest, most beautiful woman on fucking planet Earth went through "the change" after we had our first child and she became a nightmare cunt from hell. Ironically, she's now changed back to being cool after she got the 6 kids she wanted. Really strange but a classic Gemini deal and Felicia is aware enough to know it's coming....I'm just the start. She's gorgeous though and I couldn't love her anymore than I
do but I ain't getting no sympathy on this Alley deal?? Oh man, gotta get back in the saddle I reckon but I do get sick of these women real quick ya know? Oh yeah...Alley?? Well, I'm of the opinion that what happened last Friday was more about her own redemption than it was about me and her. I mean we have this powerful thing that is just almost overwhelming and I think it's just too much for her to deal with right now. We had made plans for me to go down to see her tomorrow but she called up later with this flimsy story about how this husband of her friend that I know was coming down with "papers" and so she couldn't see me. A while back I would have screamed at her and called her a lying whore but I just said "Ya'll have fun" and hung up the phone. Well, she went fucking ballistic...I mean off the wall anger. Partially pissed cause she didn't get the reaction she wanted and partially cause I think I get to her and that doesn't make her comfortable. She's a control freak and I've found I have more control wh
en I don't exercise any. So now she's firing off these angry emails designed to get me to call her a lying whore bitch cunt and I reply with a calm vague message of tenderness. Finally after 4 days of not speaking I get this long psych profile from her last nite...very revealing but stuff I already knew. A major breakthrough that she can admit some of these things to me but it isn't advancing my cause...yet. Anyway, I replied with a very sweet message of nothing, making no assumptions or demands but basically telling her I'm moving on with my life and see ya later. Well, no reply from her and I'm just going to let this one sit for a while. I don't know what's going on with this guy tomorrow and could care less. All I know is he's married to one of Alley's friends, has helped her with $ when she needed it, and he hates me....it's mutual but I always tell her what a cool guy I think he is even though I'd like to have him killed. She's one of these people who prioritizes her life 1) around her kid (who I absolut
ely love - great kid) 2) around her family 3) around her friends and ya better not ever say anything bad about them and finally 4) around her primary relationship that always takes a back seat to everything else going on. You know me Cliff, I'll share the spotlight with her son but I ain't taking the cleanup spot for nobody. That was my ex....family, friends, me. Never again. Anyway, he's 11 years old and very cool WITH manners BTW which is something you never see anymore but I can't help but think they are in collusion together. Anyway, she expects the old me to beg her for time and chase her ass and send flowers and shit and I ain't gonna fall back into that game. Remember where that got me the last time? Cynicism is a virtue when it comes to dealing with women. Live and learn right and I've learned not to expect too much from women.

Cliff's Comment: I have noticed one thing that runs through all these women you've been seeing - not one of them is simple and down to earth. A collection of strippers (Raya, Alley), game players (Susan H.), women who will fairly quickly cheat on their boyfriends or husbands (Beth, Nancy), etc. Now you know they say things like "like attracts like" and "takes one to know one" so I conclude that you somewhere need this drama yourself to get the adrenaline pumping (not to mention the testosterone). You remind me of how David talks about when he went through a period where he was only doing 2's & 3's (that's at a time, not their rating out of 10) and after that he found it hard to get turned on to one woman at a time. I think a "normal" woman would be too boring for you.

GameMaster: You are absolutely right about the kind of women I'm attracted too. They are all very difficult and each one has their own "story" to tell. I've had girlfriends that were less of a challenge that just couldn't make the trip 'cause they were too easy. My obsession with problem children started with Pam when she was 19. I've never experienced anything like the constant sexual tension and thrill of that cosmic psychotic sick and fucked up relationship in my life. I like it. Nancy is pretty fucking close. The only difference is the absence of drugs but everything else is in sync with the Pam Syndrome. I suppose ever settling down again with a "normal" chick is pretty much out of the question. : ) Once a whore always a whore and nothing worse than one that thinks they've reformed.

Cliff's Comments: Hey, "the number one thing women lie about is how much dick they are getting." I don't believe what they tell me. For all their protestations of innocence or seeming quality control, they love bad boys, adventure, excitement, doing naughty things... Nothing surprises me anymore.

GameMaster: You are absolutely dead on with your comments about telling us what they think we want to hear. You know I've found the same thing and my ears perk up when I hear some chick say "Oh, I can't stand that guy" or some shit like that. That's a pure admission that she's fucking him, or planning to. Today's society is too permissive and too tolerant and saying bad things about people ain't part of the new tolerance. It's a subconscious shield they throw up to divert your attention but when I hear that my first instinct is to check out. Had the same thing just happen to me with Hether #1 3 weeks ago...remember the story about the guy that brought the cop at 7:30AM? Well, she works for the guy and they have a kid together but never married. I had been hearing for a few days all the familiar refrains of "I hate him, he makes me sick, blah blah..." And Cliff, I knew instantaneously I was in for a showdown with this guy but the pussy was so good and there wasn't any emotional attachment so I figured I'd ride
it out as long as I could. When I left that morning it was to protests of "I love you, don't leave....." Well guess what? I haven't heard from her. Well, she did call once but I didn't return the call. Another example of being used to make the BF jealous. That's OK by me, every chick in town can use me to make anybody they want jealous cause I'm only good for 2-3 weeks anyway. Maybe that's the ad I should put in the paper "Handsome, cultured, intellectual with big dick and marathon tongue seeks beautiful woman in long term committed relationship for purposes of making boyfriend/husband insanely jealous for purposes of securing diamonds, Jaguars, new home in prestige area, or beach front property. Multi-orgasm training included at no charge." Whudya think? : )

Wintermute: A buddy of mine and I were curious if this stuff (milf hunter, bangbus, mike's apartment) were legit. We had seen them using some stuff like pacing reality and presuppositions in bangbus so we thought they might be accomplished PUAs . We checked out the disclaimer on bangbus and when you cut through all the legalese it basically says it's staged. I never checked out the disclaimers for milf hunters or mike's apartment, but they are very similar premises and I imagine they would be staged too. Once again, we all learn the lesson that porn is not reality no matter how hard they try to make it look that way.

Mike: What is DESPERATELY needed is some in-field video's! I realize that doing that would present some real major league challenges BUT it damn well could be done! Look at Candid Camera. You have to KNOW that many of the participants of that show resisted being on tv or didn't allow it at all. Still such a video of a MASTER PUA in action would give the very BEST instruction imaginable! It would also be completely unique too and be more valued than anything else! Whoever comes out with THAT will have struck a veritable gold mine!

Cliff's Comments: To those who are skeptical that this can be done and then secure a release from the woman so that the film can be used, I have two remarks to make. Firstly, someone should do 10-15 of them and see if they can get the releases signed after. Until you try, you don't really know. The other idea (mentioned by Dave Riker when he was here) is that it wouldn't be too difficult to alter or block the faces (and disguise the voices) of the women using today's computer technology so you wouldn't really need releases. I think these are going to done soon by someone, and it will be very interesting to watch.

Marco (more info on setting up a Lair from the head of the NYC lair): ROUNDTABLE MEETING GUIDELINES: At every roundtable, one member will be assigned the role of moderator. At anytime, should the moderator raise his hand, all members are required to stop speaking - no exceptions! It is important that everyone have their opportunity to speak and that is why we place strong emphasis on moderating the way time is being used by the group. Everyone gets 6 minutes to present a case, a question, no more. Someone will be assigned as timekeeper. The first sentence must summarize the situation or scenario, followed by a one-sentence question. If you can't adhere to those guidelines, you don't deserve the time and resources of the members at the meeting. We have a very large group, representing an enormous amount of resources at your disposal. If you show respect for their time, they will be more inclined to return the favor.

If you are looking for structure, it goes something like this: * announcements * collection of payment for room reservation * attendance taken (paper passed around) * review of roundtable guidelines (future paces meeting) * introduction of attendees present * ROUNDTABLE * final announcements (i.e. future meetings)/requests/feedback

Dwayne: Textbook SS On a recent flight, the airline goofed and booked me into the same seat as a gorgeous Capitol Hill lawyer. The flight attendant straightens it out and she takes the seat next to me. Turns out we were both in traffic accidents prior to the flight... so I say, "have you ever had an experience where you had everything totally in common with someone?" and she smiles. So she yammers on for a while and I just continue with the, "me too... boy, we *really* do have a lot in common" while throwing in some Ross Jeffries' classic connection patternery for kickers. This goes on for a while... then finally, I say, "What would it be like if you were to picture us 10 years from now still being so comfortable with each other, and looking back at today as being the start of it?" This gets her to talking about sex and I oblige to follow her lead (natch) with arousal patterns. Then, change directions and talk about her hopes and dreams, etc. and how those are linked to me... textbook SS . I
talk about the little girl inside of her who believed in romance and she says, "I need to find her again." So I continue on that path with things like, "Those things that you need to find are buried deep inside of you... inside of a box that is locked. And no one, no man you've ever met before could go inside... but as you picture me holding a key... an oiled key that slides slowly... slo-o-owly inside... and you feel the building anticipation as it goes deeper... and deeper inside... to the point where the box begins to come alive with pulsating electricity. And as the key turns the lock quivers... then suddenly opens and you look inside and you find me there centering you on what you truly have the potential to become." She gets really excited and I go back to fluff for a while and plant more time bombs and then more fluff and -- long story short -- do a number close. I mention that as soon as the plane lands I'm going to enjoy a great meal (she mentioned earlier she was hungry) but she didn't pick up on th
at and I didn't push it. As we exited she says, "Send me an e-mail."

Rod: This is Rod, from the Mindlist. I haven't been active there for over a year now, but I wanted to shout out and see if anyone on this list is living in Western New York. I moved to Buffalo not too long ago; my ex-girlfriend skipped town and now I'm looking for competent wingmen to join me in the search for her replacement. If anyone in the Buffalo/WNY area wants to get together and see what we can unearth in this town, drop me an e-mail to stampede_68@hotmail.com and we can meet for drinks or some such thing.

Ovulu: > Mark B: I have created a simple two stage seduction process for myself. The first is the approach where I see the woman, walk up to her and then ask her to come and have dinner with me or a drink or go for a walk or a coffee, whatever. Then when I am with her I do not talk about sex, fucking, blowjobs, kissing or any of such sorts but just let her talk about whatever she wants keeping in mind to not let her get away with anything unruly. The second part of the seduction involves a lot touching - stroking her hand, rubbing her forearm, rubbing her shoulders and her lower back. Then when I feel like it I just kiss her neck and then her cheek and then her lips. If she lets me and we continue then I do not stop and then take her to the bedroom where I fuck her. I found that the more I talk about sex or try to qualify her extent of her sexuality then the lesser the odds of actually fucking her.

Ovulu: Mark B, it appears your have a three prong attack rather than a two stage process: > Stage #1: The first is the approach where I see the woman, walk up to her and then ask her to come and have dinner with me or a drink or go for a walk or a coffee, whatever.

Ovulu: May I ask what are the conditions and terms for this type of walk up? > Stage #2: Then when I am with her I do not talk about sex, fucking, blowjobs, kissing or any of such sorts but just let her talk about whatever she wants keeping in mind to not let her get away with anything unruly.

Ovulu: Specifically, what does this mean..."but just let her talk about whatever she wants keeping in mind to not let her get away with anything unruly". How are you controlling her banter for her to elicit conversation she wants?

Ovulu: Stage #3: I understand the final process of rocking her bowels in the bedroom on the terms you suggest. However, do explain the nuts and bolts of stages 1 & 2.

Jonathan: Love ( www.doclove.com/ )? It's a 200+ page book and 2 audios with what to say & what not to say, and supposedly teaches you how to get women to SEDUCE YOU. It's $99.00.

Jonathan: I borrowed it from a friend and couldn't finish it. A lot of basic stuff I'd already gotten from Double Your Dating, some stuff was rather afc , and generally aimed more at finding a ltr rather than becoming a PUA . The worst part was the structure; not logically organized by topics, but presented as a dictionary so the first entry/chapter might be 'assertiveness' and the next 'busting balls' without transitions. This organizational style made it difficult to get a strong feeling for the approach as a whole.

NightLight9: This is an area that doesn't get discussed much but should. Some basic rules of winging: 1) Who ever opens a set gets to pick his target . It's best to point out who it is so the wing can know before the approach, but otherwise assume it's the hottest chick (yes, that's a judgment call). 2) Don't steal someone's target . If someone is having success with a target , but you know you could get her too, just file that away for your ego. If someone is negging the target by ignoring her and working the set, don't come in and chat her up. IT'S HIS target . 2b) Corollary to 5: Sometimes targets change based on personality likes of the lead or the natural flow of the PU dictates it (I.E. if there are two hotties and they pick the opposite PU 's than planned. So be it. 2c) If a chick is just plain into the wing , the wing should wait for the lead to acquiesce. The beauty of this is that by playing hard to get, you only strengthen her interest. 3) Follow the lead's lead. F
or example, if lead goes in with some hard core SS , don't go GM unless he expects it. Don't blow up the set. 4) The lead and wing should never walk on each other's routines. Unless you are SURE his routine is about to bomb, let him run it out. 5) When entering someone's set for any reason ( wing , social proof etc), smile and wait for a break to speak. Then do so with energy and something interesting that doesn't fuck up the set. Don't albatross the lead (I think I just came up with a new term - if you guys don't like this one, come up with one for when a guy comes into your set and just sucks the energy out by being intrusive/boring/low energy). If you are about to albatross the set, leave. Note: if you just sit there and attentively listen and provide positive feedback to the lead's stories, you are unlikely to albatross the set, but even that is skill. An appropriate "Oh yeah, that's a great story, is a fine way to enter a set." 6) Interact. You two are a team. Agree and egg-on the lead. By being interest
ed in the story yourself, you lend credence to the set by being interested in him. Conversely, the lead should involve the wing with simple questions. "Should I tell the story about Badboy?"... "You know how crazy Getsome is right?"... These are opportunities to amp up the state of everyone being involved and having fun. 7) Always use compliments to each other. The lead should do this particularly when the wing enters the set. wing can do it also when the lead turns away for a second or in the flow of the conversation. Kind of like the accomplishment opener. 8a) The wing should help the lead isolate the target by slowly engaging the rest of the group in conversation. This may mean jumping on a grenade, or entertaining a group of 5 guys. It can also mean sarging your own in a group of hotties. Which brings us to: 8b) If there are two or more targets the wing can isolate his target . In a two set, this works perfectly. If there are 3 people, it can be difficult as it's hard to leave one person hanging, but it's
much easier than trying to separate one in a two set. Anything more than that just use normal group tactics.

Note: that this can all be tricky and going with the flow is important. These are general isolation rules, but groups always have their own dynamics to manage.

Note: if you and your wing tend run the same material you need to keep the girls far enough away so that they don't overhear the same things being said over and over.

9) If a lead bombs, it's open season on the target . However, if he only disengages, you should work out if plans to reopen and not just assume it's open season. He may be doing a takeaway, etc. 10) Don't try to outshine the lead. Unless you are leagues ahead of the lead and you are teaching them, it's their show until you start to separate. Once you have split into groups, do your thing. If you wanted to lead, you should have opened yourself. The only way to truly get good at winging is to wing a lot, and everyone is different, so you may need practice with that specific PUA . And, of course, there are exceptions to the rules. The most obvious being a strategy that you have worked out ahead of time. That said, the above is a very good general set of rules.

Maximillian Hell: >I'm writing a list of all the shittiest questions women ask, and using them as opportunities to display strong character, and build more intrigue. Anyone here got any more questions from women that they hate?

Maximillian Hell: Not a question but a declaration: "I am waiting for my friend(s)," spoken in a haughty tone as if somehow her waiting status precludes the convo from going any further. I've twice received this line upon my initial approach. I guess some sort of neg is called for: "YOU have friends?" But there must be something better than that--typically the target appears hostile in that circumstance.

Carlos: What I would like to see is a discussion on Sex from an NLP perspective. The first are beliefs about SEX and SEXUALITY. The second are Skills as a Lover. The third are Exercises to Accelerate the getting of the skills. The main goal is LIVING SEXUAL ECSTASY. Prolonging the sex act to live one or two hours of sex that are responsive, mentally focused, emotionally committed, and very pleasurable.

As such, I would like to ask the list for info on being a better lover, being a multi-orgasmic man, and other NLP approaches to improving your skills as a lover.