A New Attitude to Involved Women

Craig: MrSex4uNYC is a genius! Check out this post that appeared recently on alt.seduction.fast (BF's: ShadowJack wrote: Hi guys, this is really a few questions to the older S Seducers out there. I've noticed over a few months now, as I've grown much more confident in approaching and talking to women, I've noticed several curious observations. Namely pertaining to women that are in the traditional sense either are married or taken. I must stress that I make it a personal rule not to touch married women, but as for the rest I consider fair game. What it is I've noticed outside of the club and bar scene in ordinary day to day life that women that are married /engaged or just got a plain old BF are substantially a lot easier to seduce than single unattached women. My observations with taken women are that:

1. That they are willing to forget their partners (albeit temporally) if they meet a man that they desire.

2. That they are much more approachable than a single women (less verbal blocks etc.) and are more willing to be seduced. I've also noticed when you talk to a taken woman that they generally tend to tell you in conversation (this once happened while I was talking to a nurse, while I was being treated for a sports injury) pretty much early on that their partners don't spend enough time with them and or that romance has gone out of their relationship. And if you keep your eyes open the ring hand tends to disappear behind their back or in their pocket (if you see them day to day, you'll often find it goes altogether).

So my question is? Where along the line does a women go from being a HB that can be really hard work to seduce, to being taken HB that's can be a easy lay. (If you want to) I think it's down to complacency on the male partner, who lets himself go when he has got his women, or boredom on the women's side or an amalgamation of both.

MrSex4uNYC wrote: I think it's pretty simple. Since I specialize in other guys' women, I can tell you what I find. Women that are "taken" are different from women that are single in that they are either LESS PICKY or MORE HORNY. What I mean by that is a woman that is good looking has her ASSORTMENT of men to choose from... why doesn't she just PICK ONE and make him her boyfriend? She can get AFCs to do ANYTHING she wants, so why not do it? The single women are either looking for more than just dick (MORE PICKY) or they have less of a sex-drive so they don't REQUIRE a man in their lives unless he's just what they want. A chick that is "taken" gives herself to a guy so he can fuck her. Now the pressure is on the guy to perform. Unless the guy is still HOT for the chick, the sex is routine or most importantly... ORGASMLESS for the woman. When she meets you, she feels that DESIRE to be with a man. She feels YOUR DESIRE to please her and take your pleasure from her. It is that ROMANTIC kind of interaction that she doesn't get from her "boyfriend" coming home, turning on the TV, watching sports, feeling her up for a second (lack of foreplay is a MAJOR turnoff) and fucking her until HE cums and then falling asleep. As long as she feels like she can get away with it and still have her hum-drum relationship intact, she will fuck you. You would be surprised how many women are "taken" but nowhere near SATISFIED! Another guy made the point that HB's are NEVER without a man. They keep the one they have until they hook up something new. Then they skip off, so if you are waiting for an HB to become SINGLE, you can forget it! When you see a chick that is single and an HB, there are reasons that she has BLOCKED OUT all the suitors she has met so far. She is looking for something special or has some other problem. it's like when a guy marries a virgin who is 24 years old. Why the fuck is she a virgin THAT OLD? What was more important to her than enjoying her natural bodily sensations? Chicks that are "taken" enjoy their bodies and want men to use it. All YOU have to do is convince them that they want YOU to fuck them, and it's on. How do you think they switch men? They have to try a few out :)

My Comment: I think this is really interesting in that what has been my major hurdle (constantly running into women with boyfriends) is his specialty. Clearly attitude and approach are up for revision.

Anil: I have tried the pheromones by this guy (Don Diebel "Succeed With Women" www.getgirls.com) and several other companies and it has never worked for me period, no matter how much I put on... I also tried the Mephisto seduction subliminal jazz tape (you talked about it some time back)... anyway it was a waste of time, we listened to the whole thing and it did not make a difference...

My Comment: Freeqshow claims that the only ones that work are the expensive, custom made tapes. I have a couple of the cheaper ones, and I used them twice. Once it seemed to work and the other time she asked me to put something else on as she found it annoying. But if I've got them back to my apartment and we are listening to music, it's usually too late for a tape to make a difference anyway...

Perry (Commenting on "The pheromone cologne I bought also hasn't seemed to have had any effect. Anyone with different experiences to report?"): Yes, I also have Realm, and I've had no noticeable good results, just some various comments on how I smelled, from cigars to starch, even though I don't smoke cigars, but I do starch my shirts heavily.

My Comment: Are you saying that some people thought you smelled like cigars or starch? This Realm must have a different effect on everyone or it reflects back the smells around it...

Marcus (Commenting on "EB: (Commenting on www.whatdowomenwant.com):I would be suspicious of this site. I don't believe that a woman knows how to seduce a woman. Most of my women friends have told me: "Just be your self" "Be an honest and dependable nice guy" i.e. a supplicator."): It's not that they don't know what they want or that they're lying about what they want, it's that they are speaking in code. They are saying what they are trained to say without going into what they would need to experience in order to know that a guy was being himself or being dependable. They haven't examined on an honest level what they are saying so that they could even tell you what they really want. I guess I'm mostly agreeing with EB after all. OUR job as men is to take a look at what I really need to do in order to fulfill the values she's telling us.

Marcus (Commenting on Rick's comment about dating several women at once, which was to answer the question if you are dating other women with "Yeah, you wanna hear about it?"): I agree with Rick's technique, though I use whatever wording comes to mind. I frame it like this: It doesn't matter how many people we can share our affections with, but rather it's about how well we can truly be with whom we're with when we're with them.

Marcus (Commenting on "My Comment: If there's one thing women speak up about, it's this. They will bring it up. You don't need to; what you need to do is handle it when it does come up."): I totally agree. If no one has brought it up, then there's no arrangement and we can see anyone we want. She knows it, I know it, the American People know it.

Marcus (Commenting on Greg's comments about women lying "quite a bit. One told me it had been a year, then later said it was one month but that didn't count. Whatever! Another said she never does this (sleeping with someone so soon, I'd guess) but she was very loose. Make that two of those so far." Which was followed by My Comment: "Hey, I was once told by a quite intelligent woman that she had not slept with anyone else since we had stopped seeing each other (meaning, she didn't sleep with anyone else for like 6 months after). Well, she's a Libra and a friend of mine told me all about Libras. She fit the classic mold; probably did 10-20 guys since me but lives in denial about it... Yes, it's true I don't know for sure but everything else fit so exactly into the pattern that you have to be realistic."): Seems to me the secret is in focusing on your position concerning others rather then what they really think about you. Because you'll never know. It can be difficult to let empty spaces stay empty, but that's what you need to do if you're going to be able to let all that worry go and really start to have fun. I agree with Clifford's modesty here. Compliments are nice, but they don't reflect any objective reality.

My Comment: Paying attention to reality dictates that you realize that what they think or say is not important; pay attention to what they do. Women prefer a man to be the man, to take the lead and make the decisions. If you are always making the right decisions, and providing her with great pleasure and comfort (and a little drama and the sense that if she doesn't treat you at least as well that she could lose you), then what you will be busy with won't give you time or desire to think about what else she is thinking or up to. When they are really into you, their behaviour often becomes predictable and normal (for the most part), or at least more the kind of behaviour men expect from other human beings. But this requires you to be in control and to hold the reigns tightly.

Bill: I still wonder where the babes are. I went to my local mall last night. I walked the mile and a quarter from one end to the other. And then back, I swept a few stores for sales girls. Not much luck.

My Comment: This brings up an interesting topic, one I should probably post about. I think several of us have that overall feeling that there just aren't many women around. We know there's a lot of women out there -- but we typically aren't interested in talking to ones that don't attract us. It makes it seem like there are very few out there. And it doesn't seem to matter whether you are in Montreal (where everyone thinks this is a Mecca of babes) or in L.A. where you've got zillions of people around (supposedly). I know when I am in L.A., I am also often out looking for crowds and trying to find the needle in the haystack (that HB that we are all looking for). Same here. But they are out there.

I asked a friend of mine what he did when his stable got low and he says he would usually throw a party. Invite a lot of women and tell them to invite their friends. An interesting sidelight is he would invite certain women that he was seeing and he would usually get their friends when he would meet them at the party (apparently many women have no loyalty and if they want a guy their friendship doesn't mean enough to stop them). I think throwing parties is a pretty good idea -- the big thing one wants to avoid when it comes to throwing parties or other events designed to meet people is to not play the "host." What I mean by this is that it's kind of like the when you go to a dating agency, the person you deal with is thought of (usually) as "off limits." You don't want this impression to come across about you when you do something like this; you want to be seen as available and that is something that you need to project.

Bill: Sometime I read posts on bros. asking for advice. "I was out with friends and I want some advice on how to get the girls I know. Or I was at this party."

My Comment: You actually have a lot more opportunities than you think. Especially in L.A. There are just tons of events, parties, etc. constantly going on for numerous different organizations, groups, etc. If I was there full time, I would be out at a lot of them. You have to look beyond the "party" that seems like it would be for single people. Those can be ok, but you should open yourself up to a wide variety of events, e.g.. political party rallies, charity events, etc. etc. You will be surprised that a lot of these have some totally amazing women there. And a lot of things are free. Check out the Learning Annex courses; there are a number of sex related things going on that I would be curious about (e.g.. Dr. Susan Block www.drsusanblock.com). If I started thinking about it, there's just too much.

Bill (Who has been buried in work for many years and does not have a lot of friends because of this, but who is now emerging and expanding his social network): Just a note Almost everybody I am interacting with these days is SS bros.. Having worked to many long hour seven day weeks for years killed my social structure, which was not much to begin with. Now this will be a focus as almost all of the girls I had dated I met through friends.

My Comment: Men can be a good source of women, a source we often overlook. What I find though is that you gotta give to get. So if you introduce guys to a few women, they may reciprocate (maybe not, L.A. has a reputation of being a selfish place). Also, try doing a Mr. Smooth and intro them when you are out sarging.

NightLight9 (Commenting on my comment "I really don't know why guys do this to begin with. If it was a good fuck, I usually want a repeat performance. If it wasn't, sayonara, baby. I often tell women that a one night stand, for me, usually only means I didn't enjoy it enough to want to repeat it."): I find the women I sleep with (particular very early on) often tend to be a little self conscious the first time. Generally by the 3rd time they are completely relaxed and the sex is 10 times better. However I can tell the difference between nervous and bad. Generally, I'm only attracted to women who give off a real sexual vibe, and they are generally really good in bed. I can usually tell if a woman is good in bed in a few minute's conversation. I'm sure I'm not always right, but I'll take my chances.

NightLight9 (Commenting on Rob's comment: "I order a pheromone cologne called REALM from California. I got cologne, pit stick, body wash, the entire shebang. No noticeable results. I get comments from women I don't know all the time about my usual cologne I wear, which is Aqua di Gio by Armani. Women seem to really love that stuff, and so do I!! Pheromone colognes are BULLSHIT if you ask me......"): They sell Realm at Sears. :-) I've had good results with it, but not better than with what I usually wear. In other words, Realm is a good cologne, but I don't buy into the pheromone content being the reason.