Mystery Method Rocks Montreal

MYSTERY ROCKS MONTREAL!!

This past weekend Mystery held the first of his two Montreal Workshops. There were only 6 attendees plus myself as we were grilled in the concepts of the Mystery Method and Group Theory, and watched the master himself in action. Mystery's Method is basically to go out and be an entertainer, start conversational threads, tell jokes, do magic tricks, etc. in a continuous enthusiastic manner. It is really quite an eye-opener to watch him work his way through a crowd (4 sets, 8 sets, 15 sets, etc. as he calls them), neg his target , find out how the people in the group know each other, then isolate the target and move to a close. His system is very linear and methodical despite any appearance to the contrary. While the high energy act like you are on stage may be a paradigm shift for most (it was for me), it works and works really well. As Mystery says, this is designed to get you the "10's", the hottest women out there. Women are looking for strength, confidence, fun and this gives it all to them and in an indir
ect way. You launch into your routines similarly to how a comedian does his act - you just start talking as if you already know who you are talking to and take the lead. You are constantly leading but your words are not personal (i.e. unlike a direct method, you do not expose your interest in the woman. You entertain her - once you've worked your way through all the people, including guys, that are between you and her - and she lights up and gives you IOI's (Indications Of Interest). Three IOI's and you can move in for a kiss close (this is a rule!). Mystery attracted a lot of attention just from his appearance - being 6'5" and wearing five inch platform shoes made him stand out in every crowd, not to mention the tight leather pants, the red and black zebra striped cowboy hat, the black nails (one of his favourite openers is to just slap his hand on the table of the group he approaches and say "First impression: not the big hand, the black nails" and start his conversations from there). Mystery has been doing
this consistently for some time now and has a real understanding of the dynamics of this method. In many ways, it's easier to do than many of the other strategies out there because it is indirect, because you are just having fun, and you can always eject from a group if the target is not available or uninterested (the former happens often because you can easily be talking to her in front of her boyfriend, but the latter is actually quite rare). Three nights up to 5 a.m. were a stretch for me and I have to apologize for my intermittent dozing during the debriefings that started at 3 a.m. My personal thoughts on this is that it is a great method, one that will help people no matter what they want to accomplish in life - you don't have to have women as your goal, you can just go out and meet tons of people for whatever reasons or no reasons because it is fun. I was somewhat hesitant to do a lot of approaches because I kind of felt like I was being thrown on stage without having my act fully memorized. This was n
ot a problem for the other guys - in fact, Phoeniks turned the Photo Routine into a heavy make out session with a hot blonde he had just met right in the middle of Prince Arthur Street, right in front of her friends! Mystery and his wing Chris Powles collected a ton of phone numbers and there is no doubt in my mind that they could have closed several of those girls if they weren't in the middle of running the workshop. Mystery was "harassed" at one point on Crescent Street by two lesbians who were rather persistent in their request to having him come back to their place for a threesome. I think if they were better looking the workshop might have been put on hold! I am hoping some of the other guys who attended will share their thoughts on the weekend, which continued on Sunday with when MYSTERY MEETS DAVID! We were 8 out for dim sum in Montreal's Chinatown this past Sunday and Mystery and Chris Powles met David. Also in attendance was NightLight9, No. 9, MTL_PUA, and Jason. David was in good form, explaining
a number of his ideas about women (some I don't remember hearing before) and how to get and keep them. Mystery seemed to pick up a few ideas and may even drop in on the David Seminar being held this coming weekend. A lot of good ideas were thrown around among the noodles and egg tarts and maybe one of you who was there can add in some more details.

ADD4HB: How does one better manage a post-close HB to a pivot or eject her entirely while minimizing her emotional reactions to feeling demoted? For example, HB1 is no longer satisfying, so I up the REQUIREMENTS for being with me like... swallowing--> fucking --> 3-some. HB1 refuses to comply to the new terms. I decide that the effort to reframe her state is greater than the reward so she gets demoted and continue on with the next satellite. Normally, I let them manage their own state and some will flake and interfere with my game or demonstrate stalker behaviour. I would like some constructive feedback on successful approaches on how one lowers the likelihood of this happening. My set up is that I have one primary, and 5 satellites. All know of each other and their position. There is no interaction between them. Pivots or potential recruits are made aware of the set up and must CHOOSE to accept the terms.

Uriah:
> Daniel: ... I'd like a little advice on a bit of a delicate situation. I am currently in a play and have developed good rapport with my leading lady. I seem to attract/intrigue at least a couple of the chorus but it's the female lead whom I want. Now, I want to handle this covertly, as any move I make may be misinterpreted as me taking advantage of the obviously privileged position I am in; me being her lover on the stage, and me wanting to transform the role into actuality. I'm currently coming up with ways to straight out handle this, as I seem to be getting IOIs a lot, but one can never be sure and this is like a hit and miss situation. Usually I wouldn't be so worried over one girl or situation, but if you knew her guys...you'd understand. Anyway, any advice you have time for would be much appreciated.

Uriah: Forget about the forwards. Sweating small stuff like that makes you seem like a woman, all concerned about shit that DOESN'T MATTER. I know you'll respond, "hey, it's no big deal to me really." But the point is that you're wasting clock cycles on stuff that will never make you happier or get you closer to your goals, or even bring you great pleasure. I was a theatre minor in college. I know your deal with the leading lady, and I've seen it play out several times. My advice: in your free time with the girl, friendly, witty, sexual talk is in order. If she pursues you, then you're golden. Do NOT pursue any further than this during the production! It may compromise your theatre reputation, your enjoyment of the time spent with her, and the quality of the production if things aren't good between you. If the performances are getting close, this is even more true. If she doesn't actively make sure you know she wants to bang you, you just have to wait for the cast party. If that doesn't float your boat, then
just bang some chorus girls. Make sure you don't play their emotions if you expect to have any chance of doing other girls in the production, since this stuff goes around like lightning. A good mindset might be one of being a "cool, great guy" who happens to appreciate casual sex (if you want to retain a chance at your target , you need to make sure the chorus girls understand that it's casual sex, and your target can't be too uptight). As the lead, you have the undisputed belt o' cool, so you should be able to make this happen.

Gatto: Maximillian Hell: I don't read Italian, but I bet there is some great stuff here! "Seduzionerapida," does that mean "speed seduction?"

Gatto: Yes, it's an Italian based Yahoo group on seduction. But contents are veeery poor. Lots of AFC stuff. They're trying to emulate the American resources, but they are falling very short. The translations (of patterns and stuff) are really bad. [Italians = PUAs ] is not true in my experience.

Firas: I sincerely believe in David's philosophy and way of dealing with women from what I've read one here about him (be a MAN, don't worry what she's thinking, etc.) I REALLY think this is great stuff....really, and how it preserves your self respect and pride (by not supplicating)...WHICH IS GREAT...but my question is, does this necessarily give you the BEST RESULTS?

Cliff's Comment: I am learning that you have to do what works for you. I took Mystery's workshop this weekend and his way is very different from David but it works. I don't think it would work for David though, and I am pretty sure Mys would not use David's methods of meeting people. Personally, I think the ideal is to use the right tactic for each individual situation - that means if it calls for, say an SS move, do that. If it calls for Group Theory, do that.

Firas: Protecting your morals, and self worth are very important I agree, but what I mean is, do David's tactics give you the kinds of results and women that you want? Maybe you want the girl that might take a little longer to get, for example. Will these methods help with that in the long run?

Cliff's Comment: David's methods will work on almost any woman in the way he does things, as does Mystery's. But neither of them has 100% success and I don't think that is really possible. You are always going to run into someone who is either married or having personal problems and who is not at that moment receptive to meeting someone - you shouldn't think that there's a "magic bullet" to answer everything. The solution is to develop yourself as much as you can and do the best you can in each situation. Mystery says that each new day he is in some ways back to square one.

Firas: Do you see what I'm saying?? I can live my life as David outlines by STOP BEING A PUSSY...NOT CARING WHAT SHE THINKS...BEING THE MAN...I agree that's great. But do these tactics HELP you to GET LAID more (not just to retain your control and self respect) as opposed to SS , MM, DYD??..which is what we're all here for anyways, right...to get laid? You see what I mean?? I guess you can say I'm very good at what I do right now, so will being this way HELP me to get laid MORE? And more necessarily with the women I WANT and DESIRE?? Just asking...

Cliff's Comment: I certainly saw that Mystery's way will get you the hottest women. David's relentless way is such that when he used to go out, he was going out to get laid and there was no two ways about that. He would go out, pick up two women, bring them back, do them, take their numbers and bring them back and then go out and pick up more. He would often do two or three a night. The key is to find what works for you, what you are comfortable with, and what fits your style. I think there are common elements to these methods, such as confidence, strength of personality, being talkative, being warm and cold at the right times, etc. and the more you learn the better off you will be.

Big Ron: A friend and I started into Speed Seduction about 8 to 10 months ago and I think that having him as a wingman has brought us both further than we would have come alone. There is something called PAIR on the www.fas.speed-seduction.com website that I signed up for and found some other people interested in getting together to talk about SS and practice our skills. Right now we are 4 strong and all helping each other out with our experiences and doing a lot of field work. If there is someone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area that is interested in joining with us they can contact me at ronknight@charter.net . The more people we have working together the better we all will become.

TBA: I have a question about a intruder. A while ago I was talking to a young gal and she was really into what I was saying from a pattern. This guy who was kinoing her off and on over the past few weeks at this bar came up and put his hands behind her and around her waist. It didn't seem to disrupt the youngin, but it made me uncomfortable since it was an obvious cock block. I know it is important to isolate, but in situations where someone slips in, what do you suggest? Ask the guy to leave politely or just ask the girl to follow me somewhere else?

Cliff's Comment: This is a good question and I'd like to hear responses from the guys out there with their solutions. In my experience, guys who will do this may be ready for a fight so you have to be prepared if you intend to step in in any way. This is clearly a situation where he is claiming his territory and you are the enemy. My first thought would be to befriend the guy - turn the situation around and make him your buddy. Once he's been disarmed and charmed, the girl will be impressed, too.