2008/09/19

It's my way, or it's my way

Trying to pick up girls at school is not usually the best idea...unless she's been living with her boyfriend for the past ten years.

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Articles & Content
- Clifford: BIG question...
- Razor: When you step into a nightclub, who are you?
- Sasha PuaLook up this term: Hooking your setLook up this terms
- Persian Player: FRLook up this term: It may be love
- Marni: WOMEN ARE CRAZY!!

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Clifford: BIG question...

With the work we have been doing in the background relating to changes for the website and these emails, the number of spam messages that I get has gone up like crazy. Literally I will have 2-300 spam messages come in once or twice a day. The thing that intrigued me though is that there are so many of them that are offering penis enlargement products that I was curious if any of that is real. Give me the credit for having the balls to ask this - I personally have no need for this kind of thing (in fact, when I go out to clubs and order a bottle of water I tell the bartenders that I can't drink alcohol as I am having an operation in the morning. When they ask what I am having done, I tell them I am having it reduced) but I am sure there are some guys reading this who would like to know.

If you have anything other than the usual "that's all nonsense and a scam" to say about this, please email me and tell me what you know.


Razor :
When you step into a nightclub, who are you?

Are you like most guys, with a blank over their heads, who have no idea what their reality is?

Or are you the man who walks in with an exclamation mark over his head? The man who makes a statement just by who he is, that he is here and knows what he wants. The man who will have fun that night, and expresses it fully.

I think of the club as being a little world. There is the earth with all its beauty and life, and there is another planet called THE CLUB. Now in the club, especially one we've never been to, we get a feeling similar to what the first astronauts must have felt when they stepped on the moon. A feeling that this place is untouched, and that we can dictate our reality and create what we want with the place.

In the club, you can create who you are. You can create this club.

You want to be crazy and Mr. Party. Be him.

You want to be a mega-alpha. Be him.

You want to be a comedian. Be him.

You want to be a rounded man who is attractive and hard to resist. Be him.

Be anything you want. No one knows who the fuck you are, and if you are congruent, they will believe whatever you want them to believe.

Sometimes I walk in and I start yelling to push myself into state. I clap my hands to the beat of the music. I reach out with my hand and pull girls into my world. I do things that in the normal world would be weird and out of place. But in the club, anything is normal.

It's called setting the frame. You can make the conscious decision before you walk in that all the girls there want to fuck you. You can also choose to believe that you are the coolest MOFO there. Really believe it. Remember, this is your world. The club is your world, it is your little playground. You can go back to your old negative beliefs after the club if you really want to.

By believing it, a couple of key things happen. People start reacting to you like you are the peron you believe you are. They pick up on the subtlest things, like your body language, eye contact, and gestures that reinforce the belief that you are that person. You are who you believe you are, and it comes across in everything you do.

The second thing that happens is you refuse to accept actions from others that don't reinforce your reality. So, for example, if someone rejects you, and it doesn't fit in your reality, it won't affect you because it doesn't exist.

Try it, just for fun. Be that person completely. It's like being an actor: a real actor believes his role and totally immerses himself in it. He doesn't just try to be the part.

Make the decision to create your reality in the club.


Sasha PuaLook up this term:

I’ve noticed a weakness in a lot of guys whom I’ve taught which I’ve sought to strengthen. It’s a common problem. Let me break it down for you.

You see some tasty little biscuit, hopping along merrily. So cute and carefree. Yippee. You chat her up…it goes nowhere, she excuses herself, and buggers off. Sound familiar?

Well - I think I have found the missing piece of the puzzle.

It’s really simple actually – you aren’t hooking your setLook up this terms.

“Bah!” you say. “We know about hooking. It’s an old concept. You open, get to the hook point, and then go on with the sargeLook up this term, building comfort, qualifying etc…get the hell out of here with your hooking!”

Ok, I hear ya. But HOW do you hook the set? A lot of guys KNOW what a hook point is – but they are nevertheless not hooking their sets! What qualities make it a solid hook? What do you talk about? What emotions should you be expressing? What should you be sub-communicating?

What I’ve done is broken down my formula for the hook point.

So, how do you hook?

Well, let me introduce you to another word that you don’t often hear in the community.

Banter.

Yeah. Banter. Chit chat. Small talk. Yatter. THAT is really one of the key elements here.

Most guys go straight from the OPEN to comfort! That conversation goes like this:

PuaLook up this term: Hey baby, you’re so cute, I had to come over and talk to you!
Girl: Aww that’s sweet! Hehe!
PuaLook up this term: So, what’s your name? Where are you from?
Girl: Uhh, I’m really late – I gotta go.
Say bye bye.

What happened? Why girl say bye bye?

Because:

a) Those are terrible AFCLook up this term things to say that every guy says and that make you seem like an unoriginal sort of fellow – the woman is already bored.

b) It feels like a pickup (worse, an unoriginal one) and,

c) Mainly – WHY should she answer your questions? Who are YOU? Why should SHE prove herself to you, or answer your queries? Is there a little booth with an “I” over her head?

Sure If you’re Bill Gates, she would do it. If you’re wearing a $5000 suit, maybe. If you roll up with two underwear models by your side, it might also work.

But, chances are, you’re just a regular Joe, not swimming around in oodles of cash at your seaside mansion. So – you need to demonstrate value immediately and effectively so that she’ll stick around long enough for you to get to know her. Right?

Right.

So – banter, folks! The key words after banter are FUN, INTRIGUE, and PASSION.

You want to create DRAMA. You want to be so exciting that you actually PULL the girl into YOUR reality.

Now I want to be clear, this is NOT a DHVLook up this term story!

You’re demonstrating that you’re a fun, passionate person. That you have personality. That you are excited about life. That you have pizzazz! (Wow, I’ve actually used the word pizzazz! I am so 80s! Ha!)

When you put this across you ARE showing higher value, but I want to differentiate between the classic Mystery Method idea of DHVing and what I’m trying to describe, which is really just being a fun, interesting, passionate person…

So, what can/should your hook be? That’s the beauty. It can be absolutely anything. Something that happened to you that day or that week is best. The more recent the better. Again, if it’s fresh and exciting to YOU, it will be exciting to the girl. It can be something that happened to you ages ago – but preferably only if you’re a good actor ;)

Ok some examples:

(A classic)
Hey, you won’t believe what just happened! Some guy just grabbed my butt on the street! I couldn’t believe it! After I rejected him, he wanted to buy me a DRINK! Can you believe that? What do you girls do when that happens?

(From one of my comedy routines)
Hey! I just went to Burger King and I had to get a token to take a POO! How humiliating! Can you believe it? There are a few things in this world I thought I’d never have to pay for, and pooing is one of them! (Transition: “I know. I get pretty angry over the little things! Haha…so what drives YOU girls crazy?”)

(From a student the other day)
I just told my boss to piss off and got fired! Ah! I’m a bum! Are you looking to hire anyone? I give good back rubs. I can type 60 words per minute! You look like you need a personal assistant! I’ll do aaaaaaaanything! Ok, ok, I’m kidding. You guys probably have crappy jobs anyways (haha) – I’m kidding. I’m sure you have amazing jobs. What do you guys do?

(One of mine, based on a comedy routine)
Hey guys! Don’t go that way, there are Christians trying to convert people! They’re giving away free tea – but the price is, they try and sell you on Jesus! Don’t go! Unless you love Jesus already – then it’s ok, hehe! It’s so weird, religious people follow me around EVERYWHERE! Everywhere I go, they’re right behind me! It’s like they’re stalking me! You guys are cute, I’m sure you know what I’m talking about ;)

It really, really can be anything, as long as:

You come in with high energy - not even necessarily HIGH energy. As long as you are enthusiastic. Enthusiasm is contagious. This works whether the setLook up this term is high energy or low energy … if they are totally chill, you want to have just a bit of a buzz around you. If they are excited, you can come in a bit excited. If you try and “out excite” someone, you may just freak them out. Remember: you’re not trying to impress them with your raw energy. You want to put across that you are really excited/outraged about something that has just happened! PASSION is the key word here!

As long as you’re having fun, and are genuinely interested in whatever you’re going on about, you should hook the setLook up this term. After that, you just have to transition properly. So if they are into what you are saying, laughing etc. all it takes is:

“Hey, you guys have a sense of humour! I LOVE peeps with a sense of humour…you guys are my PEOPLE!! So, what’s shaking?

“Hey, you guys are cool! I love people who can appreciate the drama that is my life. Haha. So…anything crazy happened to you recently?”

And then you’re off to rapport building/qualification land.

Remember: you’re trying to get their genuine attention, which is better than situational attention. I.E If you’re outraged at some crappy sandwich you bought (although this is situational) you can really be ranting about it – you can create drama – you got ripped off! You paid for a shitty sandwich!

By the way, the hook CAN be the opener. Sometimes I’ll just go right into whatever my drama is and that’s perfectly fine. One guy asked me, “But how do you transition into the hook?” and I told him that you hardly even need to transition. Let me ask you this. The last time some really crazy shit happened to you (you had your car stolen, your best friend got shot in the leg, you won 10 million quid in the lottery) did you need to "transition" to tell people about it? Like Hell!

You were running around like a chicken that's just had it's head chopped off telling everyone nearby, "I WON!!! I WON!! I WON TEN MILLIONS POUNDS! WOOOOOOOO!”

You didn't need a transition – you could open with that. You could ask someone for a piece of cheese, then say,

“HA! WHO CARES ABOUT CHEESE! I JUST WON TEN MILLIONS POUNDS! WHOOPEEEEEE”

In fact, you wouldn't even care about the cheese, would you? Even if you were hungry...you'd be too caught up in the moment!

You don't need a transition or an opener if you’ve got the right vibe. Your experience is the alpha and omega. It's all that there is. Your experience is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-deserving.

You are in your own world.

No, scrap that.

You ARE the world.

So yes, you can go from "OMG you're bloody well adorable!"

to

You won't believe what just happened to ME! (Hook story)

or simply

You won't believe what just happened to ME! (Hook story)

They key is to tell your story about your shitty sandwich with the same enthusiasm as if you'd just won ten millions pounds.

When you get that down, and you can get womens (yes, womens, as Richard Pryor would say) excited over your dilemma about a fucking sandwich, you can get them excited about YOU.

Coming in straight with the hook works really well, because it gets that intrigue going right away. However, a purely situational opener such as “Hey! that’s the coolest dress I’ve ever seen, it’s awesome!” can crash and burn easily…because the woman can just say “Hey, thanks!” and keep walking. Interaction over!

But when you’re ranting excitedly over something, you’re actually trying to put something across that she doesn’t already know (I.E. that she has nice clothes, or that she’s HOT) so there’s a reason for her to stick around momentarily. Especially if she’s being entertained. Women LOVE to be entertained. Most of them are, in fact, BORED.

Quick note here on sub-communication:

When you’re hooking these setLook up this terms, what you’re sub-communicating with your excitement is that you’re a PASSIONATE man. I mean, if you’re creating this much FUN because you paid too much for a sandwich, how much fun would you be to go on a date/hang out with if you were going to go and do something that was actually interesting?

When you get this down, you really can hook every setLook up this term, hard, fast and DEEP. You can have so much fun with a girl in one minute that her friends cannot DRAG her away from you.

BANTER PEOPLE!

FUN

INTRIGUE

PASSION

Enjoy yourselves! ; )


Persian Player:
FRLook up this term: It may be love

Throughout my time in the community I've learned not to rely on women for happiness, and therefore have eradicated neediness from my life. I'm currently a bit tired of meaningless fuck-buddies and one night stands. Of course, I don't want to go out "looking for a relationship or a deep emotional connection," but if the opportunity arises, I would definitely invest in it.

So I don't want to make this very long. I'll cut it short and write the essentials. I've asked a few guys for their opinions, and I gladly welcome everyone's input on the subject.

I've currently been very busy with school, work and studies. I literally have 100-150 pages to read per day if I want to stay up-to-date in my program, and for professional reasons, I've decided to take my semester very seriously. But of course, I love women, and regardless of what I do, I always want them to be part of my life.

School Game

The only time I have to meet women is at school, and on the way to school. I don't really have trouble meeting women on the streets and/or the metro. I've done it so many times that I rarely get the feelings of anxiety and tensing up anymore.

But at school, it's a totally different ballgame. There are key things to consider:

1. You see these women everyday.
2. Women know each other and talk.
3. You can't afford to screw up your reputation for a failed approach.
4. At some point, you have to be nice to these people, because they will probably be your future business partners.

So you have to tone down your game. Especially if you're a guy like me who's used to street/metro/bus approaches, you have to be very careful. The dynamics behind the interactions are diametrically opposite.

The situation:

So there's this class I have where we're only 7 people. 3 guys-4 girls. 3 of the girls are hot.

One of the girls, let's call her Clara, I began speaking to after my first class. Upon the approach, a smile lit up her face, and I felt totally comfortable around her. We spoke for 5-10 minutes about class, but somehow (and I'm sure you've all experienced this with at least one girl) I didn't have to think about what to say next, it's like we were on the same frequency.

Anyway, we leave the school and I ask her where she lives. She tells me the off the island, so I ask how she gets to the bridge and she tells me she drives through the area near where I live. So I ask her for a lift. I hop in, and the conversation just feels so comfortable, we're totally in our bubble, and I feel as though game is totally useless. I feel like I can say anything to her and it'd be the right thing to say.

During the conversation she mentions how she has a boyfriend. We get to my place and I must say, getting out of her car feels like getting out of another reality, like the Twilight Zone or something. I get out and I say, "You know it was really great meeting you and having this natural connection with you." She says, "Yeah, me too, it was really great." I replied, "It really sucks that you have a boyfriend." She said "Why, you don't have a girlfriend?" I said "I'm picky, it takes a deep natural connection with someone for me to make her my girlfriend."

I thought to myself, this is school, I'm not going to try and pull moves too quick, it may screw things up with my reputation. I'll take it easy and if worse come to worse, I'll have made a hot friend who will introduce me to other girls.

Anyway, the next week, I see her again, and at the end of the class, I tell her I have to go to the bathroom so she says she's going to wait for me. I come back and we head to the parking lot. While we're walking, I mention (and this is fucking true) how one of the girls in the class won't stop checking me out. It's this blonde girl, let's call her Jessy. Clara's like an 8.5 but Jessy, she's easily a 9.5 busty blonde, really hot. Jessy just gives me a whole lot of eye contact, but I haven't spoken to her that much, and I personally value a great connection much more than great tits.

So I'm talking to Clara about this and she agrees on how the blonde really does keep checking me out. I tell her that I don't know much about the blonde, but I'd be willing to get to know her (I don't say, "I'd fuck her," I don't want to come off as a player who treats women as pieces of meat.) I notice a tiny bit of jealousy in her body language (she tenses up) and a momentary silence.

I change the subject to something really funny. On her CD player, a song is playing that reminds me of a video I have on my computer at home. So we get close to my place and I tell her I totally have to show her something. She says she's really in a rush and has to go. I tell her, this is so funny you've gotta see it. She says "Noooo, I really have to go." I pull out the keys from the car and I say, "It's my way, or it's my way." She laughs, gets out of the car, I lock the doors with the car remote and we head to my apartment. She asks if I live with my parents. I say, “Maybe, why, do you want to meet my parents?" Then we go through some back alley and she says, "Why are you taking me through this back alley?" I say "To rape you, and then kill you." She giggles.

We get to my place, I show her the video. I show her a whole bunch of other videos just to make her stick around longer. Then she gets a phone call and says she has to go make dinner. She says "You're not gonna cry now that I'm leaving are you?" I say, "No, I'm going to kill myself." She laughs, asks me for 2 kisses and leaves. I kinda wish we could spend more time together.

Where things get a bit more interesting:

The next day, it turns out she's in one of my other classes as well. Oh, I have to add that I have a couple of female friends in that class. They are basically girls whose presence makes guys hang around me and girls with whom I go to the cafeteria during our class breaks. The busty blonde, Jessy, is also in that class, and keeps on checking me out.

So I notice Clara but she's sitting all the way in the back. So I just go to the cafeteria with the girl I'm sitting next to. Needless to say, Clara probably notices all this and it creates good social proof.

At the end of the class, I leave and notice Clara throwing something away, I just pass by as if I didn't see her and she pokes me in the back and says hey. As soon as I see her, I put my arm around her and say hey. She says "I missed you." I say "Damn, already? You're so cute." She says, "Do you want me to bring you home?" I say, "You're a sweetheart, coming up and offering me a lift, I wish every girl was sweet like you." She giggles and off we go.

This time, in her car, we begin talking about Jessy. I mention again that I wouldn't mind trying something out with her, and tell Clara what a great friend she is. She literally tells me, "The blonde kinda makes me jealous." I say, "Hehe." Silence is golden.

Anyway, upon arriving to my street, she parks and we talk a bit. Eventually, I'm able to get her into the conversation I want to have, her boyfriend. You guys will never believe it.

SHE'S BEEN LIVING WITH HER BOYFRIEND FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS

Me: Omg, that's so beautiful, when are you getting married?
Her: Never.
Me: What the fuck? 10 years is like meant to be.
Her: No, he's just not right for me.
Me: Of course he is, what are you saying?
Her: No.
Me: You know, I was in a relationship for 4 years and it had its ups and downs, too. Listen, I'm sure your relationship is perfect, but if I were to ask you if anything was missing what would you say?
Her: I don't feel that passion, that adventure anymore. We do all kinds of fun activities, but they're all outside, I don't feel it inside.
Me: Everything's going to be ok, don't worry.
Her: I feel good with you.
Me: I feel good with you too.
Her: Didn't you and your ex-gf fight?
Me: Often when my ex-gf started an argument, she just wanted me to hold her like this (I hold her. She's shaking, she's so fucking hot, burning.)
Her: I look stupid right now.
Me: Why?
Her: Because I feel so shy around you (meaning she really likes me.)
Me: You don't look stupid, you look beautiful. You look real. No mask.
Her: (Smile)
Me: So that passion that you long for is no longer there?
Her: No...
Me: How would you feel if you met someone who could be friends with you, would only expect great vibes, someone with whom you wouldn't feel guilty, someone (point to self) with whom you could celebrate your beautiful connection, through kissing, making love, all kinds of activities.
Her: Hmmm...
Me: I want you to know something Clara. I know you're happy with your boyfriend, although there's such an important part of your relationship missing. I want you to know that I will never try to take you away from your boyfriend. I promise, though, with me, you'll feel so much passion and adventure, you'll feel like you're high up in the sky.
Her: Omg, stop...
Me: I know that right now, as I stare at your eyes and then at your lips, you want to kiss me just as much as I want to kiss you, but whether we kiss or not doesn't matter, because I know that in our minds, we've already kissed so many times..
Her: Omg...
(Anyway, there was more womanese seduction talk on my part where I went through all 10 emotional needs and the whole Johnny Soporno frame, but essentially the message I delivered was: I'm willing to be a loving friend who will happen to have passionate sex with you, are you down?)

Me: Anyway, I'm going to get going.
Her: Already, you're going?
Me: I have to go, do you want me to give you my number?
Her: Yes.
Me: (I tell her my number, she's so shaky that she can't even press the digits. Damn, now I realize how powerful my SSLook up this term skills are.)
Her: Do you want my number, too?
Me: No it's fine, you'll text me.
Her: Ok.
I get out of the car and notice she lowers her window completely. I go to her window, talk a bit more, and I try to give her a kiss. She puts her fingers on her lips and says, "I really want to kiss you, but please, not yet, I don't want to feel guilty. You're not mad are you?" I say, "Of course not, no rush."

I leave. I get a call 10 minutes later "Hey it's Clara." I say "What, miss me already?" She says "Yes." She says "You're not mad we didn't kiss, are you?" I said "Of course not." She says "Ok, you have my number now, bye bye." Lol. She thinks I'm going to call her.

Analysis of the situation

All right, so it's pretty clear she and I have a connection. The question I've been asking myself is, how do I play it?

Excellent advice was given to me by B'lair, DIEHARD, and my little brother, and I'm grateful to all of them for listening to me talk about love lol (difficult thing to do as a guy.) Essentially, when I combined the advice, it boiled down to this:

1.) Keep acting the way you always did with her. Be nice, but not needy. Don't start making all the moves on her because she'll feel unecessarily guilty about the boyfriend. Let HER come to you.

2.) My brother specifically said: Now that you know this girl likes you, don't fuck it up by trying to make her jealous by gaming the blonde in an artifical and exagerrated way. You're going to come off as a loser player. You'll lose both of them (or, as he so eloquently put it, “They will both shit on you.”)

3.) Be very social at school. Let her see that you're great guy and that SHE wants to be part of YOUR life.

My mom (who used to be the biggest cockblock but whom I've trained for the past 2 years) also gave me excellent advice:

4.) She said, you might sleep with Clara. If you do, keep acting very friendly at school but allow things to be ambiguous and mysterious in order to potentially fuck the blonde as well. Don't show too much interest towards Clara, let Clara show the interest towards you. That will make the blonde want you too. But bottom line, at school, just be friends with everyone regardless of what happens in the bedroom.

I know, I seriously never thought the day would come where my mom would give me useful advice about women. But when a woman understands a man's difficult reality, she wants to help.

Anyway, it took me a while to write this up, so I'm hoping I'll get some criticism and opinions about it.

Everyone's input is appreciated.


Marni (www.winggirlmethod.com):
WOMEN ARE CRAZY!!

There, I have said it.

I am sure that my entire gender will not be pleased to know I have made this statement. But as a woman, I know first hand that this is true.

We are crazy.

The reason we are crazy is because we are not men.

Men and women are different.

Point made.

This is something we are all aware of, but for some reason we find it hard to remember this simple fact.

Men think, communicate and function one way, and women another way.

Men are direct, to the point, and have no secret meaning behind their words and actions. This is how they function in every aspect of their lives, especially with people. Men speak with their words.

Women, on the other hand, speak with their bodies. Women are testers, analyzers, and observers, which can be misunderstood by men as being manipulative or just plain crazy.

This type of communication can be very confusing for men.

I am going to break it down for you so that the next time you encounter "female communication," you can understand every word her body is saying.

First......

Don't ever trust the WORDS a woman SAYS.

Here is a real life example that you are probably very familiar with. This will help you to better understand the above statement. I am sure you have had this happen many, many times.

You are at a bar or out socially. You approach a girl, talk with her for 10 minutes, have a great conversation, ask for her number. She gives it to you. You walk away pumped up about your successful pick up. You call her two days later. No response.

Call again.

No response.

You think, “What the hell? I thought she was totally into me.”

NO.

Your assumption was based on the words the woman was saying, not what she was doing.

Big mistake.

You probably thought, “She is talking with me, responding to my questions, showing interest and giving me her phone number. Of course she wants me."

WRONG.

Remember, women do not communicate the same way as you. They speak with their bodies, not their mouths.

To them, words are simply words. The real truth comes from inside.

The conversation to pay attention to is the one they are participating in with their bodies. A woman's body language can tell you exactly who she wants, what she wants, and how she wants it done.

Why, you ask? Why do women not say what they mean?

Because women are proud, nice, and do not want to be rude. This is why women will remain in conversations with men even when they have no interest. They are simply being ladylike and polite. They will, however, give subtle signals with their bodies to show when they are not interested.

Right now you are probably scanning back through numerous approaches trying to remember if the woman's body was telling you to back off.

This information could have saved you lots of energy and wasted time.

Here is a little insight into what women say about men when they are not around.

The complaint that I constantly hear from women is that men just don't get it.

Many of them have said something along the lines of, "I was giving him perfectly clear signals that I was not interested, but he just wouldn't go away. I shut him up by giving him my phone number. Now, I'm going to have screen my calls for the next month. What an idiot."

Next time you go out and interact with a woman, pay attention to how her body is talking to you.

Is she facing you?

Is she looking you in the eye?

Is she responding to you with one word answers?

Is she trying to tell you that there is no chance you will ever hear from or speak to her again?

Let me give you another example of a real life situation. I think this one will make my point clear.

All women practice what I call the "HELP ME EYES." The help me eyes are the international signal sent out by a woman to other females when she is trapped in a situation, typically when she feels stuck in a conversation with a man. This signal is a simple, slight movement of her eyes. Moments after the signal is sent out, another female, who may or may not even know the woman, will swoop in to her rescue and relieve her.

As a man, you most likely did not see any of this happen. You thought you were in conversation with a woman that was very into you. You probably thought you were one step away from closing the deal, when in fact, there was never a deal to close.

Then suddenly this other female swoops in, claiming there is a situation or emergency that needs to be tended to RIGHT NOW.

When a situation like this happens, you have probably always blamed "the friend" for ruining your chances.

Truth is that YOUR woman had sent out her signals so that she could be rescued FROM YOU.

Lesson:

When a woman is into you, really into you, it will not matter if her friend's hair is on fire, she will not break away from conversation. If she does break away, she will make sure that she will always be able to find you again.

One way for you to battle situations like this is to learn to read a woman's body language. Once you learn the subtle cues, it is easy to determine exactly what a woman wants at all times. Is she looking you in the eye? Has she touched you? Not a friendly over-the-top-touch, but a soft, subtle touch? Is she really having a conversation, or is it just you blabbing away?

In your own time, I want you to take notice of how women position themselves around you. Make note of their body movements and gestures. Are they being polite or are they turned on?

Once you are able to take notice of what a woman is really saying, you can start using this information to your advantage.


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