Be a good wiper, stacker and scrubber

Ross: > Clifford: On a last minute whim, I jumped on a plane to Los Angeles last Wednesday and spent the weekend with David DeAngelo (aka Sisonpyh on this list) and his all star guests. I got off the plane and went to visit Ross at his lavish Marina Del Rey apartment/cat sanctuary.

Ross: You know, women are always impressed by how much it APPEARS that I am spoiling my cats, and also how affectionate the little furballs are, as opposed to being aloof. I MUST be a good guy if the meow-meows love me so much. > Clifford: Ross is always fun to hang out with and we visited Starbucks and The Tea Leaf and Coffee Bean which are among his frequently visited sarging spots. The highlight of the afternoon, though, had to be back at his apartment watching him Instant Message with this "older woman" (who he called Granny because at 42 she is a grandmother) where he was absolutely hysterically funny in the way he was busting her balls - it seemed to me that he was going a bit too far, but this woman could really take it and had a highly developed sense of humour.

Ross: Yeah, well I have been both teaching and demonstrating "cocky and funny" for years and years and years. > Clifford: She ended up giving him her phone number as well as emailing her photo. Ross, nice guy that he is, sent her a picture of his big cock and told her he was sending her a such a picture (it's a jpg of a rooster).

Ross: Ha ha ha....you know, we had some outrageous phone sex where she admitted that her bed was soaking wet. Here is the text of the IM session I had with her: Yesterday, while on AOL, this chick IM'ed. Here is the log of the chat, only the names and phone numbers edited to protect the guilty! Oh...P.S.....when I sent her a picture of my "big cock" it was a pic of a rooster I pulled off of a poultry website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cind: Your profile makes you sound like fun E:: Thanks E:: 357 is gun caliber, by the way. Cind: Well, I guess that last statement went right over my head. Cind: could you tell me? Cind: Are you there? E:: Hello again E:: Sorry about that. Cind: Hello E:: .357 magnum is a caliber of handgun. E:: What part of the world are you in? Cind: yes Cind: North of Burbank E:: Oh, you aren't so far. So, what did you like most in my profile? Cind: once in a lifetime adventures, mind blowing sex, side splitting laughter. E:: Ok, you get to pick TWO..which ones? E:: I'm being too generous.....pick ONE! Cind: if we had the first one and the last one, the middle one would come naturally E:: Ha ha..you said "come" E:: Are you trying to seduce me? E:: I'm not that easy. Cind: Seduce my mind and stimulate my imagination and THEN you may have a chance E:: :0:0:(:) E:: Well, I'm waiting....you are off to a slow start! :0 Cind: neither am I, but I can hold my own E:: Ha ha..well, if you are "holding your own" you need to get out more and find someone to hold it FOR you! E:: I'm just SOOOO far ahead on points here! Cind: give me something to go on E:: Ok...want to hear a poem? E:: If you like it, you have to send me a pic..deal? Cind: sure E:: Deal? Cind: yes E:: You know those little butterflies That tingle in your tummy......... E:: And as that warmth.... E:: Goes rushing up..... E:: You think inside..... E:: How yummy.... E:: Your throat..it gets a little tight.... E:: Your face...it starts to flush E:: At possibilities so right.... E:: You try hard not to blush... E:: A little sound E:: Escapes your lips.... E:: You picture.....PRIVATE things..... E:: the feelings growing..mmmmm...so right.... E:: That your whole body sings..... E:: And as that warmth.... E:: Goes flushing down.... E:: To where it feels the best.... E:: You know until.... E:: You MAKE THIS YOURS.... E:: You'll give yourself E:: No rest.... Cind: I like that Cind: very good Cind: desire Cind: anticipation Cind: excitement E:: Mmmm...right.... Cind: points? E:: And when you experience ALL of those..... E:: Yep, but you promised me a pic, remember? Cind: yes I do Cind: and here it comes Cind: It is there E:: Are you bottle feeding someone? E:: You look like an athlete Cind: my youngest grand daughter E:: Grand daughter? OH BOY..... Cind: I am a grandmother Cind: shocking Cind: I know E:: And I am outta here...exit, stage left.... Cind: hey Cind: that is not nice E:: Ha ha....just kidding... E:: I've banged some VERY hot grandmas...no problem here, bunky! Cind: banged? E:: Pumped....done.....rogered....slammed the hamsteak.... Cind: I haven't heard that term in a long time E:: torched the taco E:: How old are ya, granny? Cind: 42, sonny E:: HA HA HA..I like your spunk......I bet you'll LOVE mine.... Cind: how old are you? E:: 43. E:: But I had a 21 year old the other night....she was tasty fine......then again, I liked that AGED wine.... Cind: well now.............who is the oldest here E:: So long as it isn't "corked".... E:: How's about we do you, your daughter, and the grand-kid can sleep through it? E:: Heeheeeeee Cind: are you really that open? E:: Yep.... E:: How old is your daughter and is she an athlete type like you? You look athletic. Cind: my youngest daughter is 20 Cind: my oldest is 22 E:: Well, let's keep it all in the family. Cind: I don't share with my daughters, although I do have a friend that is trying to talk me into swapping E:: Swapping daughters? I'm there, dude! Cind: no, silly E:: Wanna see a pic of my big cock? Cind: not really, how about you first Cind: some things are better left as a surprise Cind: like an unexpected present E:: There you go..ha ha ha....trust me, you WILL be surprised! Cind: you are so cute Cind: and it is huge E:: Ha ha....so, let's get back to these daughters of yours...I got my Viagra implant right here.... E:: Did my poem make you wet? Cind: no, but I liked it Cind: made me think of an encounter or two E:: Hmm...you should give me a buzz and hear my voice..THAT would get you going, but then again, I'm not into phone stuff....I'm only into real meetings with real people... E:: Encounter? In-count-her Cind: one track mind E:: No, I actually am a super-highway with lots of traffic so I have to be selective. Cind: do you have pic of yourself E:: Yes, if you like it will you call me? Cind: do I have to promise now? E:: Yes. E:: Or I can call you if you prefer. E:: here we go..hang on. Cind: thanks E:: Give me one sec Cind: k E:: I have others....... E:: Got any with your bod in them? I want to see them ya-yas. E:: Ha ha ha ha..I'm such a gentleman Cind: You are a nice looking man, could pass for a grandpa Cind: no other pictures E:: Ha ha..well, honey, this one-eyed wonder-lizard I got packing in my Levi's ain't no grandpa. E:: Let's swap...send more to me and I'll send more to you...but no "she-bopping" yourself to them....that is so crude, you know. Cind: can I ask you a question E:: Sure. E:: 9 and 1/2 inches E:: I'm psychic AND well hung E:: Well, ok..I'm psychic Cind: lol Cind: I really like your sense of humor E:: Wow, and I like how your boobs shake when you laugh. E:: I'm a great fuck too, honey.....you have NO idea. E:: And probably won't ever find out..but anyway Cind: so am I E:: Talk talk talk..... E:: Are you a squirter? E:: I bet you are! E:: You have the look of a squirter Cind: if the appetizer is good, do you continue right on to dinner or do you enjoy every bit of the appetizer first E:: They call me "the Lizzard" cuz I will lick right down to the gizzard E:: I have tongue like ten fingers, and ten fingers like a tongue Cind: do you take your time? E:: I love eating pussy, I'm not kidding, but they have to trim that taco... Cind: mine is shaved E:: How about you....you swallow pink steel, Granny? E:: Send the pic, get the lick. Cind: that is my favorite thing E:: You love the texture and power of a big one, filling your mouth, don't you? Cind: yep Cind: what I love too the most is fisting E:: YOU NEED JESUS IN YOUR LIFE NOW NOW NOW NOW! E:: Ha ha ha..let us pray,.... Cind: E:: Dear Lord Jesus...my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.... Cind: repent and ye shall be healed E:: Please help this horn-dog, wet-pussied, cock-sucking Granny to find your Grace, amen. E:: I will now lay my tongue and hands on her afflicted parts. E:: In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Big Fat Hardon. E:: AMEN Cind: you are so cute Cind: your name is Paul? E:: Shhhhh..don't tell anyone..that's our secret..everyone thinks I'm an asshole, but only special women..the ones who are truly adventurous get to see there is more to me..so far, you SEEM like you might be that sort of woman. E:: Yes, I'm Paul..... Cind: Well, I'll keep your secret E:: Thanks....I gotta run...it's too bad this is only going to be an online IM thing...we would have had fun together..I sense it. E:: Bye! Cind: then call silly E:: I don't have a number....am I supposed to guess? Cind: no, I just wanted you to ask Cind: so here it is Cind: 818-XXX-XXXX Cind: that is my cell E:: Ok....I'll post it to alt.sex.phonepsychos Cind: NO E:: Hee heee....just kidding. Cind: talk to you later, be good E:: (ring) E:: (ring) Cind: it is in my car E:: ????? Cind: I have to go get it Cind: here, 818-9XX-XXXX Cind: I didn't know you were going to call right now Cind: it is charging in my car Cind: call the house > Clifford: Later on, Riker showed up and we went out for dinner which was great. I got to the hotel later in the evening and David DeAngelo was in the coffee shop with a number of the guys attending and helping with the seminar. David's very tall, beautiful girlfriend was also there - a true testimonial to the success you can have with his ideas and strategies. While David's presentation was extremely well developed and presented (the text of what he presented was projected onto a huge screen and the seminar workbook included a copy of all the screens, which made taking notes a lot easier as most of it was already in writing for you), the highlights of the weekend, for me, were listening and meeting some of the "masters" that came by. Included in these were Steve Piccus and his apprentice Eric who did a great optional (but attended by pretty much everyone) presentation after the seminar day ended on Friday that had everyone talking about them for the rest of the weekend.

Ross: Ha ha..I don't know if Eric would accept being called Steve's apprentice! These two are quite the crew! > Clifford: ... the guys who are truly successful with women create their own realities and are uncompromising in that reality. The woman enters their world and they either live in it under his terms or they can leave. I have noticed this in the past but it became very clear this weekend as probably the greatest common denominator between the master seducers that I have met.

Ross: Very very true, Cliff..realize also, they have some kind of great recruitment strategy to keep up a steady flow of newbies. > Barry J.: I am in a really tight spot with this one chick over the net. This chick was hit so powerfully with the SS I did with her, that she has been balling and crying her eyes out over the e-mails I have sent her.

Ross: Your big mistake is doing so much through email. GET HER ON THE PHONE QUICKLY or it all becomes just an on-line fantasy! Check out Riker's Methods and Masters CD about online sarging ..available now from Straightforward at 1-703-791-6421

Riker: Hey guys, Dave Riker here. Its been a while since I have posted anything to Cliff's list, and after recently been SWAMPED with questions like "where have you been, what HAVE you been up to", so I wanted to just fill people in briefly and add some comments. I have gotten to meet and spend time with a lot of guys in our "community" over the past month. Ross Jeffries Seminar - I was one of the Trainers at Ross Jeffries Chicago Seminar in early May. This went very well, and I had a great time. I was able to speak for probably 7+ hours over the course of the weekend. I told a bunch of guys at that seminar about Ross's private email list as well as Cliff's List, so we may even have some new members on Cliff's List because of that mention.

Cliff's Comment: Thanks, Dave, I really appreciate your support!

Riker: David DeAngelo's Seminar - I also was a guest speaker at David DeAngelo's Seminar in late May, this was also a lot of fun and I got to meet a lot of guys who I have heard of but never met face to face (i.e. Formhandle). Many attendees seemed very pleased with that seminar as well (Cliff provided a more complete review in an earlier newsletter). My voice was *trashed* from a sore throat, so I was not *sounding* too great, but hopefully my discussion was helpful. In Cliff's review of Dave DeAngelo's seminar, he made mention of 2 friends of mine, Steve Piccus and Hypnotica (Eric). These two guys are quite amazing in their attitudes towards women, and their knowledge of Hypnosis, NLP , and various self-improvement technologies. Although their outlook may not be the type that everyone wants to make "their own", they certainly can expand a person's ideas of what IS possible, and assist people in deciding what may be possible for YOU. These guys don't teach "How to Pick up Women" per se, though they DO work on changing people and helping people get past their limiting beliefs. To characterize Hypnotica (Eric) as "Steve's apprentice" as Cliff did may not be entirely correct. Although Steve may be older than Hypnotica, each has his own background, skills and areas of expertise. I know both of these guys very well (they live in my area) they are good friends of mine, so I wanted to clear that up and point people in the proper directions for each. Steve Piccus has learned and studied a variety of disciplines and techniques including hypnosis, huna, shamanistic studies, tantra, NLP , energy therapy, etc., etc., etc., (the list is HUGE). Whenever you deal with Steve you truly are getting a wide swath of almost every discipline of healing, personal improvement, and power disciplines that most have ever heard of. Steve does not have any of his own "products" per se, but he has done seminars with Mark Cunningham ( www.trucor.com/ ) and is on some products which Mark sells. I have seen Steve trance out women half his age in abut 30 seconds. It's amazing to watch a 20 year old girl be totally fascinated by a guy ... when all she did was walk up to us while doing her job as a waitress. Hypnotica (who was the "Eric" that presented at Dave's seminar in LA) is also schooled INCREDIBLY well in Hypnosis, NLP , Linguistics, and has an incredible knowledge of women's sexual response. He is probably one of The Best people I have ever met at weaving Hypnotic and NLP language in a way that creates powerful effects and real change. He used to do Stage Hypnosis and is working on his own line of products for the future. See www.hypnotica.org/ for a preview, and be sure to listen to the sample audio file as well. ( www.hypnotica.org/introaudio.mp3 - that's actually Steve's voice www.hypnotica.org/introaudio.mp3%20-%20that'sactually%20Steve's%20voice ). Hypnotica is a Master at using descriptive language to create and/or increase a woman's sexual response - things like bringing a woman to orgasm on the phone are no problem for him, and almost amateurish compared to other things he does routinely.

Cliff's Comment: If anyone would be interested in learning from Steve or Eric, send me an email and I will get in touch with them for you.

Riker: What have *I* been up to? I have been focusing on creating a few products which will be out at some point in the future. Instead of attempting to answer questions and help people in a piece-by-piece manner, I am writing up a a lot of what I have to offer in terms of knowledge and training. These will be worth the wait, I have discussed some of them with people such as Cliff and I look forward to providing some real tangible things that will help guys in our community. Be well everyone. Later for now.

Matthew A. : > Ana: I must be honest and say that a man gazing into my eyes for that fraction longer than humans generally do, without smiling, is more likely to be saying " I am interested in getting to know you with a view to a relationship". A guy that smiles and gazes is saying to me " I want to get you into my bed ASAP and I believe I am 100% capable of doing so". A real turn-off for me ;-)

Matthew A.: These sound like generalizations to me. If there is one thing that SS and NLP has taught me, it's that we need to communicate with our words much more effectively to break through these kinds of generalizations. For example, who's to say that all humans have a standard time of looking at someone? Maybe you have a booger and the guy is debating whether or not he should tell you? Just an example. Maybe he doesn't know what he wants from you and is willing to smile just because you are so cute? Maybe he sees something in your energy that he has never observed before and is curious to know what it is. The only person bringing the presupposition of sex into the gaze is you, until you talk to him.

Mr. Happy: >She mentioned over the weekend that she had never gotten the "approval" that she wanted from her parents and commented that she felt she was finally getting it from me. Like a good seducer, I validated that and we moved on with the conversation. BIG MISTAKE. Actually I had scuttled the whole thing by giving her the validation that her self-esteem and ego craved, and had never gotten either as a child, or in her primary relationship. Lesson learned.

Mr. Happy: What she was telling you, from my angle, is that you were giving her something she isn't used to. With hindsight, we can see that it was beyond the line of what she would comfortably allow herself to have. As you look at what you did do, and call that the cause of her leaving, I don't think you have nailed it accurately. Feeding her self-esteem could be fine if she can dispense with her old limits. I don't know if you could have successfully challenged her to do that or not.

93: > Clifford: ...tremendous game. His thing that he used to do was to invite the women to come to his place...

93: You could have stopped here. I have NEVER, EVER had a woman come over/invite me over and not bj/fuck closed it. But what I want to know is, what does this guy do to get them wanting to accept his invitation in the first place? All that other James Bond stuff is just straight-up sex playtime, and doesn't tell me much about his seduction game, unless we're talking the long-term criteria. And a final word about astrology, since we can't seem to let those dead dogs lie: Lately many of you have entered into speculation about the possible MECHANISM for HOW astrology can or cannot work. In ANY science, occult or mundane, BEFORE you begin speculating about MECHANISM, you must start with ESTABLISHING CORRELATIONS among phenomena. Without a significant correlation in experience (even if you don't have statistical verification on paper), you have nothing with which to engineer. If things only randomly fell towards the ground when you let go of them from some height, catapults would not work reliably enough to win a war. And so far, the only weapon in the war about astrology that works reliably is the capacity of the human mind to manifest evidence for whatever it takes as true. Science attempts to go beyond this cognitive illusion in order to establish principles for making stuff happen. Even 'occult sciences' do this. And Ross has done this in beginning the formalization of the Seduction Science. So believe whatever works for you. Because when it stops working, you'll find out sooner or later, and that's another opportunity for growth.

ADD4HB: > Ross: but your example of gravitational pull that produces tides is totally incorrect in every way. Sorry, this is just the truth. Gregory Rasputin: To a guru master: Haha, funny argument about that whole moon thing controlling the tides. But the moon hardly controls the tides too, I mean, its gravity doesn't lift the water away from the earth.

ADD4HB: Def: tide "2 a (1) : the alternate rising and falling of the surface of the ocean and of water bodies (as gulfs and bays) connected with the ocean that occurs usually twice a day and is caused by the gravitational attraction of the sun and moon occurring unequally on different parts of the earth." (source www.webster.com/ ) The moon has other biological and psychosocial effects that you can easily look up yourselves. Please source your info if you are going to state absolutes as it impacts credibility. I agree with Ross, postings should remain on the topic of seduction and its application. Personally I don't believe in Astrology. What is relevant to seduction is that women tend to place confidence in Astrology as a valid process to seek meaning and significance within their lives. In other words, gauge her level of belief in it then feed it back to her to build that state of "incredible connection". > Gregory Rasputin: To a guru master: Haha, funny argument about that whole moon thing controlling the tides. But the moon hardly controls the tides too, I mean, its gravity doesn't lift the water away from the earth. Besides, there's many studies out there that prove that genetics don't determine the parts of our personality that control promiscuity, or our hobbies, and our neatness.

ADD4HB: Again be specific! What studies are you talking of. Search Medline for "GENETICS + HORMONES + BEHAVIOR" if you are interested in the correlations of genetics and Behaviour. > Gregory Rasputin: To a guru master: And on a side note, guru, I took your advice about finding a good g/f and keeping her. I still have my g/f, and you were so right, investing time in one good girl, is better then going around trying to get laid every week.

ADD4HB: If you are content that is good. Cliff's list, as I understand it, is directed towards answering questions of, "How do I keep her?" and "How can I get laid every week?... Everyday?" What will you do to reduce the likelihood another guy with better SKILLS will TAKE her away from you? : ) > Barry J.: I'd also like to hear some thoughts from, the guys about chicks posting on this list, as I am trying to figure out if this is a good thing, or a bad thing. I am kind of divided on this issue, at this point.

ADD4HB: First, I'd like to welcome Ana to the list. The "Gurus" (ie. Ross, David, Cliff, etc...) are essential in guiding us to many insights about seduction. As knowledgeable as they are, they will never truly know what a "typical" woman thinks and feels. Ana, is a woman who seems interested in sharing her insights about women as much as she is interested in gaining insights from Cliff's list about men. She is going to read the list anyways, whether we approve or not. Why shouldn't she be able to get feedback from us? It benefits us all... Also, spam is filtered on a private list.

A guru master: (Commenting on Greg Rasputin: "And on a side note, guru, I took your advice about finding a good g/f and keeping her. I still have my g/f, and you were so right, investing time in one good girl, is better then going around trying to get laid every week. I can hardly believe that u only got laid once this month, what happened?")

Guru master: I'm glad you have a nice GF to keep you warm. She is your 'meat and potatoes'. Now, every once in a while, you can always go out and taste a little 'filet-mignon' on the side : ) What happened??? Hehe, I was in the hospital recently, had to get 5 stitches in my upper-lip. Let's just say that it threw me off my game a little : ) I was drinking through a straw for 2 weeks. Now I have a big, nasty scar on my lip, possibly for life. I found a way around it, though. If they ask me what happened to my lip, I might say something like, "Well there was this beautiful girl...she looked EXACTLY like you. She wasn't quite as sexy though....anyway, she was walking downtown by herself and didn't realize that she was being followed by a 'strange dark man'....and just as he was about to grab her from behind I JUMPED HIM...and that's when he hit me : )" They are usually laughing at this point and I'll say, "She reminded me so much of YOU... soft skin...pretty face....bright shiny eyes (at this point I'm usually rubbing her cheek and she is giggling and blushing)....that's right, and a gorgeous smile that would make anybody melt....and even though I didn't KNOW this girl...I felt a very strong need to protect her...(holding her hand when I say 'protect'). This little routine definitely helps me. If anything it gets a good laugh, although I've gotten some strong DDB from a few chycks. Those of you who will be attending the next DAVID seminar (aka The Beast) will be able to see my lip and will know what I'm talking about. Women have always told me that I have 'beautiful lips' and now I don't have that 'edge' anymore, but it doesn't really matter because women generally don't look at that shit. I may decide to get a little plastic surgery -- we'll see. Anyway, I'm seeing someone new and getting back on my feet (penis, really) again and should have a solid stable going in a few weeks!!

Joy_Stick: Members of this list often discuss sarging clubs/bars by themselves, and yet I rarely see people entering these places alone. What do you say to women when they ask you who you're here with?

Cliff's Comment: Personally I usually just say that I dropped in because some friends of mine said they might be there and I just came by to see if they were. I realize from your question that others will probably take this as an opportunity to further the conversation but I haven't used it as such. I often will go into places alone (or with a wing ) and when asked by the serving staff if they can help me or seat me I tell them I am just "looking for a friend" (which is true, actually).

Joy_Stick: I'm curious if you have any insights on how to get women to dance. I know asking doesn't work (though I'm at a loss to understanding why). I've tried Toecutter's brushing up against her with pecks (pickupguide.com), but with little success. Are there any other methods that you use/know of?

Cliff"s Comment: In terms of asking a woman to dance, the first things that occurs to me are the following: (a) if all you really want is to dance, then just approach one after the other until one of them agrees. After all, if it is only to have a dance partner, there's no reason it has to be any one woman in particular, right? (b) If, however, your true motive is that you may be interested in a particular woman and that is the real reason you are approaching her to have her dance with you, it's my personal experience that your problem here is that you aren't being direct about your intentions. I always have trouble with women when I am indirect, although I know that works for other guys. Think about it in reverse - if a woman comes up and asks you to dance, aren't you wondering whether or not she's interested in more? It's confusing unless the intentions are clear. I recommend that you start a conversation with her and after awhile then ask her to dance - making it clear you want to dance with HER, not just anyone who will dance with you.

Lorenzo: > Maximillian Hell: I don't read Italian, but I bet there is some great stuff here! "Seduzionerapida," does that mean "speed seduction?" groups.yahoo.com/group/seduzionerapida/messages/4786/

Lorenzo (new RAFC): Yes, I checked it out: it's an Italian SS yahoo group. Thank you, brother Maximillian. You can get mediocre (but free & instant) translations of Italian text at: babelfish.altavista.com/tr

One of the posters on "seduzionerapida" mentioned the following Italian NLP / SS website: www.migliorati.org/ Check it out!...

As for me, I don't know much Italian (only four memorized seduction phrases an Italian PUA taught me in Paris ;-), but I *am* trying to learn a couple of other Romance languages--fast! You see, I'm currently speed-shagging a hot Brazilian girl (15 min. quickies in the washroom) and trying to Sarge a Spanish HB , but I can't communicate with them very well: They don't know much English, and I don't know much Spanish or Portuguese, so 99% of my sarging communication is non-verbal.

My best weapon is a confident, long look at them "up-and-down" with a subtle impish smile on my face (the kind that Crocodile Dundee gives to the ladies). That look, combined with a confident posture, and an attitude of "you *know* I think you're hot, and I *know* you think I'm hot, so it's just a matter of time before we get_it_on."

This nonverbal stuff is very effective in letting them know *what* I want, but not *when* and *where*, particularly if we're not alone and in private. If we *do* have privacy, then the answer, of course, is *here* and *now* ;-D. The problems are extracting them without confusion and planning a rendezvous. A little knowledge of their languages would really speed up the logistics. So my idea is this: why not find Spanish and Portuguese versions of SS /NLPseduction and study them? That way I can combine my SS studies with my language studies. Two birds with one stone!

Could a brother direct me to other foreign language SS resources on the Internet? Audio recordings would be best.

GameMaster: How to fuck a Virgo.....expanded version I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. It seems the women I've always been most attracted too had a major aspect in Virgo -- my mom is a Virgo. Scary ain't it? Anyway, this one I have been working on lately (Nancy) is the same deal. I have to watch my language and she makes sure I'm working hard and saving my money and shit - they are so predictable. So here are some more tips and I wanted to get this on paper cause I'm sort of going through a Virgo thing now just cause they're more of a challenge than anybody else you'll find. The way to attract a Virgo is to come across as positively wholesome with a very orderly existence. Talk about schedules, lists that you need to make, meetings that were very successful and how important that it is to your future and security. And they like charitable causes, too, so throw in some bullshit about your allegiance to Greenpeace or talk about family that you admire that devote their time to children's causes or some shit like that. They need to trust you and be convinced of your sense of duty and responsibility. You basically need to project an altruistic, caring, genuinely orderly and modest front. Virgo women have neat, precise, ordered lives and they are looking for someone to match them and fit in with their vision of neatness. Their Virgo brothers don't really care who they fuck....it's a weird dichotomy. Anyway, help them wash the dishes or clean their apartment or volunteer to clean the tub. Be a good wiper, stacker and scrubber....she'll be impressed. And don't invite them to your place unless it's spotless. I'm serious. Avoid ostentation. They don't expect to be flattered or wined and dined and you can expect the same. They look for genuine "genuineness," if that's a word. They're tough to crack. Here's their list of priorities: 1. Work A- 2. Health B+ 3. Home B- 4. Community Service B 5. Hobby C+ They tend to rate sex somewhere between watering the garden and turning the compost heap. The trick is to get them to move sex up the scale on the list, and that's only after you convince them it should be on the fucking list AT ALL! They like rational arguments so if you can frame a logical manifesto why people that have strong sex drives and fulfilling sex lives are physically, spiritually, and mentally healthier and more successful then you have just won the battle. Like I said, I been thinking about this a lot! Virgos are a special problem. They are usually gorgeous, the girl next door look. That makes me crazy!