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Keyser Soze:
Last night I went to Cafe Campus in Montreal with some friends from school. I was peacocking quite a bit for that venue.
The clothes:
I had on my moon boots, black raver pants, red belt, red and black long sleeve-t shirt that looks inside out, and to top it off I was sporting a Mohawk with my dyed blond hair.
The scene:
We arrive at the cafe at 8:30 (otherwise we would have had to wait probably 2 hours to get in). I never knew that a place could get so packed on a Tuesday night. By 11:30 the place was jumpin'. It was packed wall to wall with cute co-eds and AFCs galore. Translation: meat market ; )
My friends bought pitchers and we all started drinking and playing foosball. I started chatting up the people in the group that I didn't know to get into a chatty mood. I tried out "jealous girlfriend" and TD's new "Seattle Girlfriend" openers and they went over really well. The place started to fill up so we went upstairs for some dancing to 80's music. The great part about this venue is that there are three levels. The bottom level is much quieter than the upstairs and you can actually game girls there. The two upper floors are the dance floor, and above that is a sort of u shaped balcony that overlooks the dance floor.
The Freaky Friend:
After a while, we got tired, so a few of us headed down to the quieter first level. I was talking to a girl from one of my groups from school and as she was a bit drunk she started telling me how much she loved me, and then offers to buy me a drink. We go to the bar, we keep talking and she starts asking me if I'm gay. I keep telling her that I'm not gay and then she starts asking me why I didn't hit on her. I wasn't that attracted to her to be honest, but I told her that I didn't want to go out with members of my school groups and I also said that I thought she was looking for a relationship and I wasn't and I didn't want to hurt her (i.e. trigger the ASD) so I said, "Well, if we were going to have no strings attached sex, then I would be o.k. with it, but I sensed that you wanted a meaningful relationship." I figured it was the best way out for both of us. She then seemed so relieved that that was the reason and she started telling me how she would have totally gone out with me. She started touching me hard
core, and rubbing me and putting her hands all over me. It was funny because she came there with a guy who she just started dating, and he flipped when he saw what she was doing to me and he rushed over and started groping her, but she was still touching me. It was strange, but I went along with it anyways. I phase shifted to a sexual state and I started getting her horny by talking with a deep voice and making sexual innuendos. The guy really started to freak out, so I told him to pull her hair (I knew she liked that from before). He was stunned. He wasn't sure what was going on, so I demonstrated it for him and I could see her buying temp start to skyrocket. So I told him that it was his turn, and I did a back turn. After 30 seconds, I turned back and I asked her if he was pulling her hair. She said, "Yeah, but not as good as you..." and she started touching me again (lol ). So I got fed up and I said, "OK, it's time for you two to start making out." and then they started going at it : ).
The Girl:
I was a bit drunk, and I was hanging out at the bar looking for targets when these two girls walked up to get drinks. One of them was SUPER bubbly and she was talking in this really high-pitched voice. So I started imitating her for my own amusement. She gets all pissed off and comes up to me and starts apologizing that she is excited, and calls me a jerk (nice! I'm in baby!). Her friend looks over and sees me talking to HBbubbly, and she girlcodes her asking who I am. The girl says, "Oh, you haven't met HBhat, HBhat this is the jerk who was making fun of me." So I say, "Hi, I'm the asshole that was making fun of your friend (sly smile)." She laughs, and starts asking me questions. How do you guys know each other? What's your name? What school do you go to? What do you study? How old are you? I say, "Woah, woah, we're moving a little too fast, I need your opinion on something first." I run both of the GF openers, and she says she wants to introduce me to her friends. I act shy and she drags me along. On the w
ay, she asks me, "What's your preference?" I play dumb, and I say, "What do you mean?" She chickens out and drops it, but not for long! I meet her friends, and then the shit test barrage comes. She says straight out, "Are you gay?" I laugh. Then she starts backtracking, "If you're gay it's o.k. My roommate is gay and he's gorgeous, too." She wouldn't stop. I kept saying that I'm not (mistake?). I tell her she's my new little sister because I love her but at the same time she’s so freakin’ annoying. Anyways, I run trust test, tension test, and she is so into me. So I go for the 100% spin kiss, and tonguedown! I break it off, and say, "Woah, woah, stop it, you're getting me all emotional. I don't even know anything about you." Then she starts telling me everything about her. Her name, age, where she's from, where she lives, where she goes to school, what she's studying...blah blah blah. I say O.k. and we start making out again. Then I stop her and say "eww..we can't do this, you're my little sister!" I push her
away. Things were going great, but then her friends came and dragged her off to the bathroom. FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!
I knew that if I let her go I would not find her again that night, so I said that I had to use the bathroom too, and I followed them, knowing that on the off chance that I did see her again, I would be in troubleshooting land.
The Salvage Attempt:
Low and behold, by some freak chance I did run into her again while I was looking for my other friends. It was bad because she saw me scanning the crowd and probably thought that I was looking for her. When I saw that she was right next to me I hesitated and then she saw me looking at her. Oops. 3 second rule damnit!! I waited too long, but I figured since I was in trouble anyways, I should just give it a go. I went in with "I hate you" and she gets all upset and asks "Whyyyy??" So I say, "That didn't come out right, I really, really hate you." She's just staring at me wide eyed. I tell her that she went off to the bathroom and left me all alone and I don't think I could ever forgive her. She starts apologizing and then her friends drag her off. Double Fuck!!!!!!!! There was no way that I could engage the group because we were on the super loud dance floor. She said that I could come along with them if I wanted. If I wanted??? That did it for me. I just walked the other way. It was like all the work I did bef
ore was gone. Poof!
In retrospect, I probably should have followed her and then tried to befriend her friends and then asked for permission to isolate her. Oh, well. There will always be next time.
Dreem (reposted from www.fastseduction.com/discussion and submitted by Tyler Durden):
Women do the choosing but expect the guy to screen
-Women have control of reproduction to a large extent. It's a responsibility placed on them, and just as well, because men are devious and will try any trick in the book to circumvent the order of nature (e.g. the beta guy supplicating to get sex).
- As women have the keys to the gateway of reproduction they are responsible for choosing who gets through those gates (i.e. who gets sex)
-Even when a guy does the initial approaching, all he is really doing is making himself available to be chosen by displaying his attractiveness in her presence. If the woman doesn't choose him then the interaction will go nowhere. He can't *convince* her to choose him.
If she chooses the guy, she'll proceed to make herself available to him for further interaction but will not make an overt move on him. The reason for this is because she is waiting for an invitation from him. She can't do anything until he invites her to prove she is worth his time and attention. It's like applying for a job, you send in your CV or application form and wait for the employer to contact you and invite you for an interview. You can't do anything else apart from *registering your interest* with that employer. IMO this is one of the reasons why the majority of women cannot approach or take the lead, all they can do is give signals of interest.
After IOIs from her, if you #Close (for a D2 meet), extract for an instant-date, or isolate, then you're registering your interest as well. You're like an employer inviting her for an interview, so she knows you're interested at some level, HOWEVER she still has to pass your 'interview' before she can get the job.
She expects the guy to meet her with a screening test if he is the genuine article. He would not do anything to chase, pursue, or win her over (PULLING). The genuine article will not be trying to convince the woman to choose him. The PRIZE is the one making the objection as to who can come into his world. The genuine article for that girl will not seek approval or try to persuade her to select him because he is the prize being sought by her. ALL prizes are seen as challenges. If we seek a prize in any endeavour then we try to qualify and work to get that prize. If there is no challenge involved then it is not a prize. If the guy turns around and then starts trying to convince her to choose him (PULLING vibes) then he is communicating that he is not a PRIZE after all, he's just a fake, a low quality guy, and she'll feel she made a mistake and begin to back off rapidly.
The initial approach you make is not to CHASE but to make yourself available to her as a PRIZE worth going for. At any point in the interaction if you cross the line from being the PRIZE to the CHASER/PURSUER then the game is over for you, because by doing that you've communicated to her that you're not the guy she thought you were and any attraction for you dissipates to zero. A complete switch from ON to OFF.
So when a chick shoots you IOIs, she's basically registering her interest with you and expects you to engage her with your screening test. For the genuine article, she EXPECTS to go through a qualifying test to prove her worth to him before he would want anything to do with her.
Why chicks come on 'dates' or Day 2 (D2) meets
Why do some chicks come for D2 meets-ups only to blow the guy off after that?
Maybe he'll think:
"I moved too fast, she got ASD and rejected me"
"I wasn't interesting or funny enough"
"She was just a fucked-up psycho bitch!"
"There was no chemistry between us" (as women usually say)
Well, the answer is most likely none of the above and more likely because...
He didn't SCREEN her.
Chicks come on D2 meets to pass your test. At that point IMO they have already chosen you and it's up to you not to fuck it up.
They spend a long time getting ready, putting on make-up, wearing a sexy outfit. Why?
Subconsciously they expect YOU to present them with some sort of test that they have to pass to win you over. You can present the test in a nice, playful, interesting way without coming off as arrogant and obnoxious, or boring.
A big smoke screen put out by women/society is that women come on 'dates' and expect the guy to win them over. It's actually the other way round, they want to win the guy over but the guy has to give them what to do to get into his good books. Chicks are unsure of what to say or do to qualify for you so they usually respond with saying/doing nothing because they don't know your criteria, so they don't know what they have to do. Instead they wait for you to present them with the test.
On D2 meets the proper dynamics is to create an undercurrent of SCREENING, even though you're nice, playful and friendly in the surface. You don't even have to be C&F. You could be the quietest and nicest guy in the world and still project a vibe of screening, which is one thing women respond to positively.
The way to do this congruently is to FORGET ABOUT SEX with her at that moment and examine her from the position of long term compatibility. "Will this woman be really compatible with me LONG TERM?", "Has she got all the qualities I like in a LONG TERM partner?". I know most guys (including me) just want sex, but when you forget about sex and screen them from the view point of long term compatibility, that is when they actually give you the sex. Of course after you get the sex you can move on, you don't have to actually date them.
By the way, this is how things usually are when you meet a chick you don't really like that much. You automatically project this vibe without consciously knowing it, however chicks can pick it up.
You don't need special routines/stories to create an air of screening. You can just project that with certain questions, comments, body language and general attitude that suggest you are mentally screening her for compatibility. BTW, there is nothing wrong with her knowing what you're doing as long as it's not overt and arrogant/obnoxious. At the end of the day you have every right to screen a woman you want to be with and she would want to qualify if she likes you.
The SCREENING is fractionated with rapport type conversation.
Most men get nervous and unsure on dates/meets because they're going there to pass the chick's test even though they don't even know what criteria she wants. So they're unsure of what to say or do. Men have even gone as far as using NLP and hypnosis to try to influence women. In trying to qualify for her, or using covert methods to find out what she wants in a man, they're actually doing the OPPOSITE of what they really should be doing and that is why seeking approval and trying to get her to like you fails EVERY TIME.
If you go in as the interviewer (instead of the interviewee) to present YOUR test to her, then you'll be surer of what to say/do, how to behave, and be more confident and self-secure on the meet.
I know this goes against GWM and caveman techniques but there are many ways to lay chicks and this is one good way to not only get the lay but also get an LTR if you want one.
BTW, I forgot to add to my post that chicks will sometimes throw you FAKE IOIs and BAITS, as TD has mentioned in several of his posts. Watch out for these early BAITS and use them to your advantage.
These are tests to see if you're the genuine article. The genuine article is the PRIZE and doesn't need to do any PULLING until she qualifies. She may tease you with a *fake pull* to bait you to PULL back. If you bite the bait you get blown out.
During initial interaction have your radar alert for fake PULLING that comes from chicks and immediately counter with a PUSH (i.e. C&F accusation).
These early teasing pulls, like touching you, saying she likes you, overt compliments, etc., etc. are just TESTS to make you PULL back and reveal your true feelings. As soon as you bite the bait and indicate they are the PRIZE not you, they blow you off or begin to run. These fake pulls must be countered with PUSHES/CHALLENGES to keep the FLIRTING GAME going.
Instead of seeing these kind of baits as negative, I see them as positive opportunities that she is giving me to re-affirm myself as the PRIZE. As soon as she does something that looks like fake baiting immediately PUSH by responding with a David D. type comment.
For example:
Accuse her of trying to covertly seduce you or pick you up
"I'm not that easy."
"You have to do better than that, baby, if you want to seduce me."
"Is that your secret pickup line? I'm not that easy"
"My mum brought me up to be a good boy and not fall for stuff like that"
Papa (www.realsocialdynamics.com/) (also submitted by Tyler Durden):
Papa Gets Sexier in Australia or are Aussies Continually Horn-dogs...
It's as if the roles are somewhat reversed over here some of the time. For the sake of my own amusement, I'll call this the USA_Australian boomerang effect. As many of the women here will chase me with buying me drinks, complimenting me, and asking me lots about the USA lifestyle.
I've been spending the month in Australia with Tyler and Playboy. It's been an amazing experience as I've been field-testing lots of crazy new stuff, which is great fun for me because when I left LA, I felt like I was getting kinda bored of hitting the nightclubs as we always hit the Sunset Strip venues when we just hit the clubs, and I only wanted to go to special events because of the boredom of the routine. Now, I am in Australia and it's quite refreshing as I'm hitting new night-time venues and daytime venues. There's an air of sexual freedom and some of the world's hottest, friendliest, and sexually-liberated chicks I've ever met in my entire life. I've been hitting a club called Establishment here quite often.
This club has got to be my favorite club in the entire world. Imagine gorgeous women everywhere, an upper-class atmosphere with low music (like Standard Lounge in LA, the regular venue for the LA PUA Crew), and it's the size of a large dance club without the loud noise. Everyone dresses up and it's full of beautiful women.
I've been hitting up this venue regularly on the workshops we've been running out here as either (a) the women love American accents, (b) they treat me like I'm their vacation treat, or (c) I'm sexier in Australia. It's probably part of the custom, but I haven't had so many girls buy me drinks in my entire life. It's awesome.
Second time to this venue and I picked up a gorgeous 10 on workshop while winging with a student, who I have a date with on Monday. I winged a student who opened her, isolated her, pummelled her with playful kino (body checks, pushes, nudges), cavemaned her to tender kisses without tongues, and lots of pimp talk. She was the hottest girl in the bar.
I return to this venue with a boomerang that I used during the day and continued picking up other chicks. This is the hugest boomerang ever and I am going to return to America knowing how to use it. I used it as a gimmick to get Aussies to sign it and write me fun and sexy messages on my Australian Boomerang Trip.
I had a lot of fun with the boomerang gimmick as it was a fun new social experiment. Also, I have been experiencing a lot with daytime and nighttime direct approaches. I've been using openers such as:
Papa: Hey...are you someone confident to accept a sincere compliment?!!!
Hot Aussie Chick: Hee...hee. Sure.
Papa: Cooool. Me too!! Hey, you go first. [pointing back to me] Fire away.
Hot Aussie Chick: Haha + {compliment on Papa's clothes or sense of humor} or Haha + {cummon face}
Papa: [if not complimented] Just kidding...[if complimented, skip the just kidding] Actually, I came over here cuz you looked like [compliment +mini cold read].
Here's an example of one of dozens of approaches (even stopping mobile targets with the boomerang effect body language, credit Tyler D).
Papa: Hey...are you someone confident to accept a sincere compliment?
Hot Aussie Chick: Sure. [smile]
Papa: Me too. Fire away.
Hot Aussie Chick: Haha. Well, I like your jacket.
Papa: Ahh. You Aussie chicks rock. You know, I just had to stop you cuz you looked like someone interesting to talk to as you look so chill and calm, and someone just had to come over and enjoy the view of the pier and opera house with you. I'm Papa.
Hot Aussie Chick: Hi. [handshake] I'm [Chick's Name]
This kind of direct approach opened consistently and the game played out well because I'd continue from there with lots of ball-busting, playful kino, and conveyed a lot of fun.
Most of the time, I didn't get compliments from the girls, but I'd get something like this rolling:
Papa: [credit RJ, Style, and Playboy to helping to create this opener] Excuse me...are you someone confident enough to accept a compliment from a complete stranger.
Girl: Well, yeah. I guess so.
Papa: Sweet. Me too. You go first. Fire away (sp).
Girl: Ahhhh.
Papa: Just kidding. You know, I saw you and just had to come by and talk to you as you have interesting sense of style. You look like a little Aussie disco dancing homegirl. It's rocking, kiddo.
Girl: Hahaha.
Papa: Wow, your Aussie accent is so cute. It sounds like you are singing even though you are just talking to me. You are totally my new Aussie homegirl [wrap arm around chick].
Girl: Hahaaha. Where are you from?
And then the convo continues with the standard push/pull sequences.
I would also sometimes follow up the direct opener with opinion openers if the direct approach wouldn't fly, or else I'd introduce myself, and instigate lots of playful kino and jokes. Here, I've been cavemaning heavily with playful kino and excessive pimp talking and girls say I exude lots of sexual energy, but I misinterpret it to me getting to caveman more.
The pimp-talk I've been using is stuff that I've been watching Tyler do, where he'll talk to girls in the tonality as if he's the pimp and the girls are their hoes. I do this in much of my sets out here...sometimes overdoing it as I've been having so much fun experimenting with this.
Papa: [talking slow and in the ear of the girl as if I'm her pimp] Oh. Yeah...I...love...how...much...fuuuuuun...I am having...here.
Aussie Chick: [smiles and giggles at pimp talk] Oh yeah. Don't you find Sydney kind of a small place compared to LA.
Papa: [more pimp talk] Ohhhh...yeah...it's so small [push air away]...compared...to....L....A...LA...is...sooooo...muuucccch bigger...but...it's not....tooooo....biiiiigg.....it's just....the right.....size...I loooooove....it...soooo...much.
Aussie Chick: Hahahaha [smiles]. Oh...you just exude so much sexual energy.
Papa: [more pimp talk] Ohhhh...baby...yeah...you...know...[makes face as if I think I heard her say she wants to fuck now]...what I like...when you get so....to...the point...about sex...[cavemaning her and kissing her].
Aussie Chick: [smiles and laughs] Hey, did you hear what I was saying.
Papa: [continues with pimp talk] Ohhh...yea....baby...[goes for makeout kisses].
Aussie Chick: [smiles] Hey, you don't fuck around do you.
Papa: [continues with pimp talk, playful kino, caveman kino, push/pull body language (i.e. moving in for more kisses and then pushing her away...and then kissing her for real), lots of cocky and funny observational comments, and, now and then, aggressively grabbing the girl's drink out of her hand and chugging it...and then returning the drink]
Girls here are so sexually free that it's as if they all want to be cavemaned. I've been watching lots of the naturals here do this. The Lebanese players out here are probably the most aggressive. They've been launching some funny moves, where they come into sets hugging each other, and then they backoff the girls, but they caveman them.
Ok...so here's where the LR starts...
Tonight, I've been in the mood to push and I've been pushing and pushing hard on all of my sets recently. And, as soon as I walk into the Establishment for the night of workshop to begin, I notice that one of the students and I are getting AI from an Aussie chick. I've been opening with funny faces at girls, and leaning-away body language without talking.
Tyler was doing stuff like this during the last few workshops, and I field-tested it all weekend with good results, and have been creating routines similar to this, where I do this body language, and then punch the girl in the arm playfully, and then start gaming her up after she laughs, and she'll usually ask me where I'm from immediately because of my accent.
Well, in addition to the where are you from question, this girl just starts talking about how gorgeous my sexy young body is right in front of the student. I'm thinking to myself, "Hmmm. This is news to me." I want the student to feel validated so I push him into her, and she does the same to him, but he backs away and he is doing push/pull on her.
I'm thinking that this Aussie girl is in a naughty mode so I decide to continue going more direct than I usually do and I just start hugging her and grabbing her ass and pimp-talk her. After awhile, I get her cellular number and tell her I will call her if I find a different venue to go to, as I couldn't stay with her all night as it's workshop.
So I game up the club with the students will about 2am and then call her, but I can't get ahold of her so I'm thinking that it's not going to happen. However, I call her a second and third, and on the fourth time, she picks up the phone...my persistence is working. Yeah! So I meet her at a lower-class pub, where she buys me some drinks, and I do a round with her.
It's customary and happening frequently that girls will buy me drinks, but then they'll expect drinks from me too. In fact, that happened two nights ago with 2 different sets of girls for one of my nights outside of workshop. Granted that they were not hot at all, they kept asking me to leave with them and tried to makeout with me. I pulled away as I wasn't attracted.
Back from the side-tangent, I go down the street with the chick after we leave the pub and we head to her apartment in her car to a location outside of the City Business District (CBD). This girl is probably in her 30's and she's talking about how my gorgeous young body is turning her on. She's obviously desperate for some cock tonight.
When we get to her place, she gets me beer and starts eating yogurt. I drink the beer, and she starts putting yogurt on me, which leads to this aggressive Aussie eating it off me. So I reciprocate the direct caveman moves and start kissing her, and ripping her clothes off. After fingering her for a few minutes, she gets me a condom and we have sex.
A few hours later, she gets me chips, more beer, and more sex continues. Afterwards, I snuggle with her and fluff talk. Since I have a seminar in the morning and I have to checkout of my hotel in a couple hours because checkout in Australia is 10am. I decide to leave this girl with a kiss good-bye, and she walks me back out of her place.
I'm at the internet cafe right now thinking about how Sydney rocks. And how, even the 10 that I picked up a couple nights earlier had similar tendencies of grabbing me, and treating me like I'm a lot hotter guy as these Aussie girls shoot me IOIs so much more quickly them I've ever been used to. I love Australia. I'm having a great time gaming here.
Tyler (www.realsocialdynamics.com/):
PVC Devil Routine:
"Oh, you're getting fiesty, huh? You know what I would do with you? I would dress you up.... in a red.. PVC... *devil* outfit.. You'd have little horns like this... and a tail... bitch boots, and..... a pitch fork. Now your friend here.. I'd dress her up in a similar angel outfit.. with wings.. and a fur halo.. and I'd roll with you guys on each arm down the street.. Every girl would be jealous of you.. And whenever I'd have to make a decision.. I'd let each of you fight over which decision is the most fun.. and whatever one would be the most fun.. we'd do that." (the periods are to show the pacing, because they roll over laughing in between every pause)
I've also occasionally been known to follow up with variations of things I heard from Style, like "Actually forget that.. I'd dress you up like a nun.. and me like a priest.. and we'd go into a church and to freak everyone out we'd just start making out. Actually fuck that, you're my little sister! That's disgusting! What are you doing to me!? Girls are sexual predators, you know that... you're doing (whatever she's doing) and you think you're all covert.. but I know this.. Girls are sexual predators.. (sexual predator routine stuff)."
I use this stuff early in set, or later on in set before I'm about to move them, and it's to implant the idea of rolling on each arm, and then I throw out my arms and they jump on like magnets.
Lately I've also teasing girls as "Polarity Responders", and explain that they're arguing with everything I say, as well as "stimulus seeking state change junkies" when they're not focusing.
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Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Doc gives a class titled "How to Pick Up Women: Learn to Be Irresistible to Them!" in Toronto.
He also gives a "Power Dating" speed dating event there as well. This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. Anyone interested in attending, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars ($200 deposit required for signup)
Saturday/Sunday 11:00am - 9:00pm
Sydney Seminar - $300 - March 13-14, 2004
New York Seminar - $300 - April 24-25, 2004
Los Angeles Seminar - $300 - May 29-30, 2004
Amsterdam Seminar - $300 - July 3-4, 2004
Montreal Seminar - $300 - July 10-11, 2004
London Seminar - $300 - August 21-22, 2004
In-Field Workshops ($200 deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 9:00pm - 2:30am
Sydney Workshop - $600 - March 12-14, 2004
New York - Workshop - $600 - April 23-April 25, 2004
Los Angeles Workshop - $600 - May 28-30, 2004
Amsterdam Workshop - $600 - July 2-4, 2004
Montreal Workshop - $600 - July 2-4, 2004
London Workshop - $600 - August 20-22, 2004
Individualized Boot-Camps ($200 deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 1:00pm - 2:30am
· Individualized Boot-Camp -$1500 - Schedule Date/Location with Papa
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for the next events on their schedule as they are launching a new program.
Mystery Method Workshops:
Mysterymethod.com and mysterysexmagic.com do not exist anymore and are redirected to Real Social Dynamics.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Here is the 2004 schedule:
Speed Seduction Seminars:
April 30-May 2 NYC
Sept 3,4,5 London England
Unstoppable Personal Influence Mastery (women encouraged to attend!)
May 7-9 NYC
Sept 10, 11, 12 London England
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Marknosis And Magick In Miami-- May 7-9
At the heart of every effective Change technology -- like organized religion, psychology and magick -- we find a common set of states and effects that allow you to truly experience and subsequently Believe. Join us in South Beach as we explore the hypnotic elements of Ritual and Magick. Sun, surf, sultry nights and amazing sights as we create our own body of powerful personal rituals for self-exploration, self-development, and the quest for Power and Influence in this world as well! Come for the toolbox of techniques that maximize influence within ritual behaviors, or just come to step through the looking-glass and begin living
*Beyond Seduction In Montreal -- July 16-18
Cliff's Comment: MONTREAL!!!!
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as (), David X, and many others.
NEW SEMINAR IN SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA!! Saturday, March 6th & Sunday, March 7th
2004 Tentative Seminar Schedule:
Los Angeles at the end of April or beginning of May. This will be a one time, 4 day program, all new material.
London, England, July.
New York September.
Las Vegas beginning of December.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on Sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is a respected poster in Mystery's lounge and he has held workshops together with TylerDurden and Papa.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
BADBOY COMES TO THE U.S.!!
Workshop dates for 2004 are:
San Diego (March 4-5-6) 8 seats available
LA March (ask for dates on email)
Hawaii workshop, to be announced
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's Seduction Lair
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today!
www.thundercatseductionlair.com
Visit this site:
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, s*ex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. Download THE DATING BLACK BOOK right now at: www.datingdynamics.com/ebookstore.htm
A few sites to check out:
Mike Pilinski is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Swinggcat: www.realworldseduction.com
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seduction—hey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and
drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your ability—well, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD www.sexualkey.com/
LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve not only your game, but also your understanding of women on a deeper level, so that you can have more successful relationships, you've got to come out to my Live Dating Wizard Seminar in downtown Toronto, February 21st and 22nd. It will be two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
This is going to be a special seminar where Smooth, the President of the Toronto Lair, will enrich the seminar as a guest speaker. Smooth will lend his rich experience and expertise in several areas, including TONS of experience in real seductions of hotties that are met online.
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
This book is meant for today's situation with women in the Western world. I give you step-by-step details on how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't even have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Download it now at:
And follow the link to "About The Dating Wizard"
FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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