One shot and they are hooked but I am the only dealer

AdamK: There's a guy who does a web site called Netvideogirls.com. At first I thought it might be Ross, as his voice sounds very much the same. But he never shows his face, since he's the one holding the camera. Plus, some of the girls remark that he's "hot!" when he ask what they think of him. His whole schtick is that he runs an ad in the paper, seeking girls for a "Calender." When the girls show up, he has them go in the back room and then goes through this routine of convincing them to have sex with him. Without giving them money, but with a bullshit promise of, "If we work well together, we may use you for the calender." The girls know it's bullshit, but the way he structures the "interview" is very interesting. Most of the girls start out being highly suspicious and reluctant, but his persuasion skills are masterful.There is a definite process you can see him walk the girls through. And you can see the point where they finally click over and decide to have sex with him. The guy has a gift for getting women to have sex with him. He does some pretty brilliant things, like take aways, starting kino at the right time, framing, etc... He also does some things a lot of you guys would call " AFC "... like almost begging, saying, "Please," "Come on, baby," etc... But bottom line is that, within minutes, the guy goes from meeting the women to banging them. You can tell it's real... these girls would have to be Academy Award winners for it NOT to be real. You can tell from the "interviews" he did earlier compared to the ones he's done more recently that he's fine-tuned his spiel to be more effective. Even at that, this guy makes a lot of obvious mistakes-- but still gets laid like a porn star! There's even a few where the guy happens to be driving around in L.A. with a camera and sees a girl at a bus stop and talks her into getting into the car. The guy is pretty much doing the same as most casting couch agents do. But he's gotta have a lot more skill, since his props are virtually nothing more than a video camera and a classified ad. For $30, it's highly educational and better than a lot of the seduction crap on the market. -- Highly recommended.

Mystery: To those who have been posting a lot in the last couple weeks: Take a break. Get OFFLINE for a bit. Go IN-FIELD. Get back INTO the game. The game is played IN-FIELD not online. This is your call to action. You guys know where I'm coming from. I'm out doing workshops teaching and at the same time getting even MORE experience under my belt. New distinctions are being learned. Like this wonderful subtlety: Within GROUP THEORY, a 2set is NOT a group. It's a COUPLE. The procedure is SLIGHTLY different. In a 3set, for instance, you get permission from the friends (formerly obstacles ) to ISOLATE THE ONE (formerly target ). How? "I've been alienating for friend (point to the ONE - you did this with NEGs previously). May I speak with her for a couple minutes?" then you are isolated with your target to create personal rapport, qualify her "what qualities do you possess that would make me want to get to know you more?" and begin kino . Then after recognizing IOIs you say to the others, "I like your friend. Is that ok with you?" Of COURSE it is! They don't have the RIGHT to say NO. BUT! In a 2set? You can't isolate the target because that leaves the friend alone and bored - and that means IMPENDING TIME CONSTRAINT. So DON'T even ATTEMPT to isolate the ONE in a 2set (unless the friend has other friends to hang with in the club or your wing is proficient enough to occupy her for 5 minutes). So, keep a 2set together and go kino IN FRONT of the friend. It's ok. Would I have learned that subtlety by debating ONLINE? No. And does this subtlety help me? Fuck yeah. Take a break from virtual reality. Next week is "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE HOUSE" week.
>Ross: Don't know why Mys calls it "Sex Magick" as it seems to have nothing to do with it, other than using stage magic as a prelude to finding a woman with whom to have sex.

Mystery: Read www.Mysterymethod.com for my definition of Sex Magic and some examples of sex magic material.
> Ciz: "Sex Magick" is when you have an HB sit on your lap and concurrent excitement causes her supernatural levitation over your Magick wand. But I did experiment with the group theory thing. Approach the friend(s) first, etc. But what does Mystery do when after switching from the friend(s) to the target , the target asks you, "Aren't you interested in my friend?" Also, when done in the wrong situation, the group theory method can bring out paranoia in women.

Mystery: Ouch. I closed 3 girls last night. All fun, all happy, no paranoia. One cutie in an 8set (5guys), one cutie in a 3set (2 other girls) and 1 hottie 9.2 bartender (with 2male co-workers). No paranoia.
> After doing the Mystery method on this girl at a club, when talking to her in the parking lot, I saw another HB , whom I did not know, and simply said, "Hi." The girl I was sarging asked me, deadpan serious, "Did you fuck her?" It's like you become to the girls you are sarging this superman who tours the world doing all the chicks (which, apparently, is exactly what Mystery does). It can make them uneasy.

Mystery: Aaah I understand where the error is. I can see how IF you are HITTING on the girls you can get a bad rep (hell, a good 5-6 years ago I had a bad rep in some clubs because my courage outweighed my skills) but the BEAUTY of MM is that you approach the group and befriend them WITHOUT hitting on the girls. In fact, you are ACTIVELY IGNORING your target and NEGGING her. So only AFTER you know she is not with one of the guys, "So, how does everyone know each other?" do you ISOLATE the target , AGAIN without HITTING on her. "May I speak with your friend for a couple minutes?" Isolated, you are NOW finally giving her the attention she will desire after NEGGING her playfully in front of her friends. Look for IOIs. If you don't get any, DON'T CLOSE! If you CLOSE ANYWAY, you'll accumulate over time a slew of women you HIT ON that said NO. That is a bad rep. Instead, look and test for IOIs (there are tons of examples of IOIs) and only if she is making them do you CLOSE. If not, nobody is the wiser that you had potential sexual interest in the girl you talked with privately for a bit. From the group's perspective, you merely paid some attention to her because you had been negging her (teasing her) and want to make up. A great position to be in. A position I'm in in every group! : ) So again, no HITTING (CLOSING) til you have IOIs means no bad rep. In fact, you end up with a GREAT REP. Why? Because you are making friends with EVERYONE. This is also especially great since the NEXT group you will approach sees you hanging with 8 people and being the center of attention and the girls are smiling and laughing and you aren't SLIMY and GREASY. Read my workshop testimonials. I'm not a greasy slimy pickup artist. I'm fun. : ) I love women.
> Sometimes I get asked, "Why do you want *me*?" and, "Shouldn't you be with a girl already, how come you are single?" What is the appropriate Mystery method response on this?

Mystery: Yes, this happens quite a lot. I use the "Well, something tells me you must be a heart-breaker yourself : )" This minimizes the issue. And I only show interest (CLOSING) AFTER I have counted 3 IOIs. As for the "shouldn't you be with a girl already?" Hell, I often have female perfume on me (Guys don't put on men's cologne, put on FEMALE PERFUME and when she asks, "mmm what is that scent?" you say, "what? I'm not wearing anything .... ohhh, I know where that's from, nevermind.") and OFTEN make sure a girl in a previous set kisses my cheek so there is a mark. That way the girl in the next set will notice it and often wipe it off. I INSTANTLY appear desirable. And guess what? It's not a lie! : P This is a part of GROUP THEORY ... to allow previous groups to help you in PROPERLY opening the NEXT group.
> Finally, when a chick goes AFC on you... So you approach, and you either neg or pattern or give a cocky but funny compliment, etc. and then the chick starts talking about her/your job, growing up, what school you went/go to, the weather. Rapport is there, but it's like there must be something to hasten the close.

Mystery: ZIG ZAG THEORY. Don't answer her BORING questions. Just change the subject to something MORE interesting.
> Party question: I was at a party, recently. There are several guys who know several girls and they have parties on occasion, and I went to one. Ok, now the guys who are hosting the parties have a great idea, because these chicks come to them and it is a great opportunity. However, none of the guys hosting "scored" at the party in which I went to. I banged one chick in the bedroom of the guy hosting the party, one kissed me sitting in a chair, I kissed another on the couch and at the end of the party we heavily made out outside by her car, culminating with my Magick wand shooting forth a gushering spell over her levitating breasts, which when rubbed properly allow her to see into the future. (Being outside, it was cold, but not as cold as Canada, I would imagine.) So, one of the guys hosting the party tells me like two weeks later I'm not invited to anymore parties, saying his parties were not to be a "dating service" for myself. Another guy also told me that unknown females were uncomfortable with my languaging. When questioned and asked for details he became defensive.

Mystery: Haaa poor you, bro. But yeah I understand what goin' on. I had this rep, too, way back some years. It's OVERINDULGING, bro. Don't let the last CLOSE see you CLOSE the next girl. EVER. (If possible, haa.) And if you close a girl of QUALITY, when done, LEAVE. Don't blow it by getting another in the same place. Like yesterday, my student (I'm doing a 1:1 consultation workshop this weekend) approaches a bartender and it goes sour (no worries, it's day one and our focus is on OPENERS and the first ROUTINE only) so instead of ejecting with, "Well, the night's young, see you around", I bail him out by having him do an ESP test. Point is, it was a botched approach for me but I enjoyed demonstrating routines for him. Of course, when I get to the close it's funky and we meet at an IMPASS. "she wants my # but won't give hers" so I hold steady and don't give it. Well, another bartender (the hottest of the club) wants to talk to me and I end up closing her (great kino and IMHO, a great start if you know what I mean) in about 15 minutes. BUT! This is a sticky situ seeing as I was trying to close the OTHER one. Of course, I'm willing to lose ALL girls while in a workshop for the benefit of my students (a workshop rule of mine - the students education outweighs my wanting to get laid) and that's why I bothered working it at all, but I KNEW I was in damage control. So I did my best to NOT use the same material in case they talked. I also said, "BE DISCRETE! don't tell people in here we are getting together cause some of these people are my friends and it's none of their business WHO I hang with." If I lose the girl, I'll know exactly why. Dude, a 9.2! Sweet!
> However, during the party, the girl whom I banged in his bedroom came up to me with a ping pong paddle and I said to her that she'd been a bad girl and needs to be paddled. The party host guy heard this and told me, "I know her and she doesn't like that sort of thing!" And then she said to him that it was all right if *I* did it to her. So, how can I turn this guy around because there are some great opportunities at his parties.

Mystery: Ask him, "why the fuck are you having parties at all?" Hell, fuck that. Don't even supplicate. Start you OWN parties. But then again, you ARE pissing where you eat, too. You don't have to slow down, just slow down in that particular community of people.
> Also, how does one handle/disarm jealous male roommates of chicks?

Mystery: Prepare. Take him out to paintball with your buds. It's worth it, isn't it?
> It's like they personally make it their business to cock block you -- taking advantage of their access and proximity to the target .

Mystery: When you are hanging with him during the game, you say, "I've been thinking ... I'm not a bad guy, am I? Well, your room mate and I might have something going on. I just want you to know that so it won't fuck up our friendship, k?"

"Own the men and you own the women." ~ Mystery

JM:
> Christos: Rider Waite is a particular type of tarot deck. It is very traditional in its appearance and there are relative few dark looking cards. The Aleister Crowley Deck, on the other hand, often looks like an HR Giger forerunner. Some of the images are very macabre and it often makes ladies quite uncomfortable.

JM: Cool, thanks for the new sort strategy idea. You see, I once realized that this chick I was dating was totally unworthy when about halfway through Bladerunner she starts complaining about how boring it is and how she doesn't want to watch it any more. Now I can add the Thoth deck to that. Because any chick that can't handle that most beautiful deck (and I'm no Crowleynick, btw), has really very little to offer me. For that matter, if they don't dig HR Giger's style, they're gone. Which brings me to some great points MB has illustrated about relating to people at the highest point of the neurological level model that you can, which I'll elaborate later... Suffice to say it's easier to leverage someone if you're sitting at the top of the pyramid. Which reminds me of this Iron Maiden 'Powerslave' pattern I've been working on...
> Ciz: "Sex Magick" is when you have an HB sit on your lap and concurrent excitement causes her supernatural levitation over your Magick wand.

JM: No no no, "Sex Magick" is when you seduce a super HB , and then leave her dripping, walking away to not return, saying only, "The student will come when the teacher is ready."

Ross:
> I assume that women out there already are open to me and want me and my job is to make it easy for them to express their attraction to and for me. We tend to give women more power than they deserve. They want us as much as we want them but most guys do not see it this way.

Ross: Now, I think this is a good place from which to start. Assume women ARE sexual beings, enjoy sex, want to be with men, etc. This is one of a few key understandings/cognitions that leads to great success. It is a necessary understanding, and, by itself, probably isn't enough.
> MB: I don't know but in 2001 I went out with about 35 women (all in range of HB8-HB10) or about 50% of the women I asked out and slept with 50% of those and had fucked maybe 120 - 150 times in total last year.

Ross: So out of 70, you got 35 to go out, and of those, about 17 you nailed. I'm trying to see if that is right.
> I could have maybe dated more or fucked more but many were repeats and sometimes I just am out of the game for a while as I get tired and need time alone sometimes but otherwise the results are pretty good, I feel. In 100% of all cases I flirted with them, complimented them, made them feel special, listened to them, talked to them about themselves and openly expressed my desire for them. AFC ? Maybe but does an AFC get laid this much and this often? I don't know and if they get more action than this then I am the world's biggest AFC .

Ross: No, I don't think this is AFC at all. In fact, if you were to video the ways in which you listened to them and talked to them, I bet you would find within, many aspects of seductive patterning. Perhaps not canned speeches, but that is now a VERY small part of Speed Seduction. A huge part is knowing how to pay attention, ask questions, get the right information and use it. That IS "patterning".
> Dating or getting a number for me happens most often after some exchange of mutual attraction. Why should you feel you have to create some other basis for her to want to be with you other than the promise of sex, physical closeness and some fun together? To me, this is the super qualifier. I make me the basis for her wanting to be with me. I am the reason why she should come out, not because I am a good hypnotist, magician, or I drive a hot car. It's all about me - if she responds favourably to my playfulness then I know she is game and I pursue her. If she does not and if I create another basis for her to see me other than for me in the hopes of turning her around, I never ever succeed.

Ross: I would really like you to get that I am not arguing with you, Mark. From your perspective and experience, every word you say is true. But like a fish, so used to being in water, you have no concept of "dry", you are so used to walking through the world in a body that looks good enough to attract women on sight (you've mentioned how women compliment your looks and body), it is hard for you to see or comment on what is required for guys who aren't so blessed. Yes, I display my balls when I walk up and openly express that they don't know me, but I think they are very attractive and I wanted to meet them. This IMPRESSES them, but alone, will not create attraction. I, personally, except for a few rare cases, must use how I listen, talk, pay attention, touch, use my energy and voice and will and intent..all of that working together, to create the attraction. THEN I can express directly what I want from them.But I have to do it in the right sequence and order, or I don't very often at all get anywhere. Strong confidence/balls/directness impresses them sufficiently to get them to listen and pay attention to the rest of it, which creates the attraction. I believe that the ways in which you talk and listen and ask questions ARE patterns, and if I looked at a transcript, I could probably break it down. So even you are doing more than you know. You may not be doing trance demonstrations or reciting the blow job pattern, but I don't think you need to; remember, women are getting hot just LOOKING at you before you open your mouth, based on your muscles, etc. etc, etc. For many of us here, we don't walk into it with that advantage. It makes me a bit frustrated that this is such a hard point for you to get or accept.
> Also, I do not believe you ever create attraction. For me, attraction is there or it's not. The key difference is, though, that you either make it easy for her to express it for you by being open yourself or you do not and it never shows.

Ross: YOU do not create attraction. YOU do not need to. Your body is your calling card. I can and DO create attraction. We can go into debates about multiplying zeros, but here is my point: I might initially get SOME curiosity..intrigue...etc. But to get a woman to feel the feelings in her body...her tummy feeling butterflies, her pussy feeling physically hot and wet...I have to DO something with my words, touch, etc. YOU get that just walking up, so of course, you don't need to do as much.Yes, a woman has SOME initial interest in what I say, by virtue of my confident approach. BUT..and this is the BUT..that interest does NOT include the physical feelings of sexual attraction. I have to create that. I know, because I debrief my women and virtually NONE have told me they felt those feelings for me when I first walked up. Impressed, intrigued, yes. I will say it one more time: I...HAVE...TO....CREATE....ATTRACTION. So do most guys. You don't. You are lucky.
> I pay total attention to her responses and do less of what brings on a negative one and more of what brings on a positive one.

Ross: That IS patterning. It's a big part of how I teach SS , these days.
> But the basis for what I do is somehow trying to focus attention on her, the current environment along with some sexual undertones.

Ross: Congrats. You are sarging her. You are taking the initial physical attraction based on your looks alone and amping it up by how you pay attention and using her responses. Get it out of your head that SS is about a series of recited speeches. That is the model from 1993.
> It's all about being out there, talking to women, flirting, making them laugh, telling them you find them beautiful and if they respond positively to you, boom, you ask them out and on and on. 80% of success is about showing up, the other 20% is not fucking up. Talk to enough women and enough of them will smile at you and out of those a good % will go out with you.

Ross: If you are really great looking and they get hot and wet just looking at you, you have to do less work. This is my only point. I don't see why I can't get a simple agreement on something that is as common sense and a part of everyday life as gravity.

Dwacon (The Shadow of a Dog Never Bit Nobody www.dwacon.com/): Just thought I'd share the easiest close of my life. I was at this office for training that this company offered. As I signed in I said to the receptionist, "Is everyone here exceptionally beautiful, or just you?" It took a few seconds to sink in but I saw a smile spread across her face that she couldn't fight. Later, I tip-toed out of class and said that I had to see her smile again, then followed with, "You know, I could just see that smile across a dinner table, illuminated by the flicker of a candle as we're serenaded with romantic music." That was all it took for her to write her number down. As I was leaving at the end of the day, she asked (demanded) my number and said, "I'll call YOU."

Gregory Rasputin:
> MB: Funny - no "Sure Fuck" aftershave. But most women deep down inside, I feel, all want to be open and free sexually, including the most beautiful ones. I feel that North America has suppressed and repressed female sexuality and made it taboo for them to express it without meeting some prior conditions. In other words, she does not want to be seen as a slut that initiates sex but she loves it as much as we do and looks to the guy to take her fear of looking like a slut and her fear of expressing her sexuality away first.

Gregory Rasputin: You're right on, Mark. This is exactly how I feel. Because I am open with girls they want to be open with me. If a girl turns me on, I'm not gonna be ashamed of it. My emotions are who I am, I'm gonna tell her. Girls can tell when you're using a line to get results, and when you're being yourself. And getting turned on is who I am, so I'll tell her, she'll appreciate it, and in turn tell me who she is. Society does havoc on women's brains when it comes to sex, and I explain that to them. I always present them with this paradox when we first start talking: "You know, society teaches you to pursue love, and talks about how glorious it is. and society also teaches you from the age of 12 that sex is some sort of a forbidden sin that you have to be extremely careful about. But if love and sex are the same thing, then how can this make sense?" Get it guys? I bombard women with things like this, and use all my patterning skills to let them grow wings , strong, powerful wings , that allows them to just break away from the chains that society imprisoned them in, and do what feels right, with me. I used to be afraid to approach girls, to flirt with girls, to normally talk with girls, and especially to lay down any sexual moves with girls. Thanks to the.speed-seduction.community, I learned how to approach and got the confidence to know that I can do it. So I began approaching girls. Thanks to SS , I learned some amazing things I could do with words, and so I became confident in talking with girls, but the sexual department still gave me trouble until I realized this: I am not the clothes I wear, the car I drive, the job I have, the friends I hang out with, or the girls I'm after. I'm not the language I speak, I'm not even my name. I am the emotions I feel, the thoughts I think, and the actions I do. That's all I am, and I'm very fucking proud of it. That's why if I want to say something, I'll say it. It entered my head I'm not gonna suppress it, and if I want to DO something, then I will just know when it's right to do it, and I will do it. At this point in my life, I don't think about how I'll approach a girl, I don't think about the pattern I'll use. I approach them naturally, because what an approach is for me, is me giving them a chance to taste my personality, and I'm proud of my personality, so I have no trouble approaching. I never think about what pattern to use because it became part of who I am. I normally speak in patterns, and always create very, very vivid images just with my words, and I'm proud of that, too.
> MB:She is on a pedestal but it's my pedestal and I make sure she knows that it's mine and she can be knocked off at any moment through misbehaviour. This keeps them in line. It's like a fucking shot of the purest heroin - one shot and they are hooked but I am the only dealer in the world and they better behave or I take away the supply and they know this for if they misbehave I pull back.

Gregory Rasputin: Mark, you're describing me here. I have no objection with telling a woman that she is very beautiful to me, and that I care for her, but I also have no objection with telling a woman to stop bothering me if she gives me bullshit. I don't see this as a game (I used to). I'm nice, if she deserves it. I let my girlfriend hear my deepest poetry, I make her feel so appreciated sometimes her eyes tear up and she can't let go of me, but if she's late, for example, to something then I just won't call, and let her chase me and make it up to me. If my girl always deserves a good treatment, I'll always give her a good treatment, without being afraid that she'll get bored, because 1) I KNOW I'm the only guy who can make her feel this way (because she tells me) and 2) people never say to themselves "You know, all these incredible feelings sure are nice, but I'm getting kinda bored, I think I'll go find a way to feel shitty".
> MB: But ultimately, what makes an AFC - how he does what he does or the results he gets?

Gregory Rasputin: What makes an AFC ? The fact that he has no pride in his thoughts, his emotions, or his actions, but instead his pride comes from the car he drives and the career he has.
> MB: Women say to me "Mark, in a long time have I not been able to feel so free to express my sexuality as I do with you. All the other guys wait for me to make the move ( AFC ) but I want to be taken."

Gregory Rasputin: How I love hearing those words, Mark. That's true, women do want to be taken. I mean, I do believe that they all get aroused from the thought of dominating their super-confident hunk in bed, but anywhere else they want to have the decisions made for them by someone who's confident. AFC 's are never confident, so when they make their decisions the women think that they don't know what they're doing. When I tell a girl something she says things like "Somehow, I know that in the end, you're right", because I KNOW I'm right too. I wanna make the decisions in the relationship.