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WHERE PUAS GOT NO CLUE-AS!
> Dreem (reposted from www.fastseduction.com/discussion and submitted by Tyler Durden): Women do the choosing but expect the guy to screen
-Women have control of reproduction to a large extent. It's a responsibility placed on them, and just as well, because men are devious and will try any trick in the book to circumvent the order of nature (e.g. the beta guy supplicating to get sex).
- As women have the keys to the gateway of reproduction they are responsible for choosing who gets through those gates (i.e. who gets sex)
-Even when a guy does the initial approaching, all he is really doing is making himself available to be chosen by displaying his attractiveness in her presence. If the woman doesn't choose him then the interaction will go nowhere. He can't *convince* her to choose him.
Ross: Hmm.....logically, he can't. He can't do it by appealing to the left brain. He can however trigger HER largely unconscious feeling "recipes" for attraction, connection, lust and desire so when she does an internal "check"..when she checks in for her "feelings" about him, she "feels" attracted, lustful, connected, etc. and so then assumes, IT'S TIME TO BANG HIM!
So it's not about convincing. It's about eliciting, evoking, leading and using what you get.
"PUAS" can't do this because they believe that gathering this kind of information inherently MUST be viewed by her as "qualifying" yourself, when in fact, it can be done in a way that makes it appear that you are screening her.
PUAS don't get that women's "feelings" are not some monolithic response, but the result of an internal "recipe"- an internal process that is largely out of her conscious awareness and that happens lightning fast. As a process, it has components that can be triggered and engineered.
PUAS try to get this through attraction theory, which postulates that there are a set of behaviors that somehow will biologically trigger off almost ANY woman's feelings. And they do this while willfully ignoring the process of finding out about the unique human female in front of them. All in the name of being "alpha".
> Dreem: If she chooses the guy, she'll proceed to make herself available to him for further interaction but will not make an overt move on him. The reason for this is because she is waiting for an invitation from him. She can't do anything until he invites her to prove she is worth his time and attention.
Ross: This is just rubbish. Girls get aggressive ALL the time when they sufficiently want a guy.
> Dreem: It's like applying for a job, you send in your CV or application form and wait for the employer to contact you and invite you for an interview. You can't do anything else apart from *registering your interest* with that employer. IMO this is one of the reasons why the majority of women cannot approach or take the lead, all they can do is give signals of interest.
Ross: Oh yeah? Get them hot enough, behind close doors, and they can and do get VERY aggressive. Maybe I'm not getting what stage of the sarge you are talking about. The initial getting to know each other stage? Ok..WE still have to take the lead.
> Dreem: She expects the guy to meet her with a screening test if he is the genuine article. He would not do anything to chase, pursue, or win her over (PULLING). The genuine article will not be trying to convince the woman to choose him. The PRIZE is the one making the objection as to who can come into his world.
Ross: Actually, in her eyes, the PRIZE is the one who can trigger the feelings that in her that SHE prizes. This whole thing about being the "prize" is over-emphasized as a "posturing" or a "position" when it ought to be about really BEING the prize; a guy who knows how to trigger her deep feeling "recipes" and "processes" and link them to HIMSELF!
> Dreem: The genuine article for that girl will not seek approval or try to persuade her to select him because he is the prize being sought by her. ALL prizes are seen as challenges. If we seek a prize in any endeavor then we try to qualify and work to get that prize. If there is no challenge involved then it is not a prize. If the guy turns around and then starts trying to convince her to choose him (PULLING vibes) then he is communicating that he is not a PRIZE after all, he's just a fake, a low quality guy, and she'll feel she made a mistake and begin to back off rapidly.
Ross: I agree with that. It's common sense. But watch the word "convince". One can structure challenges and offer opportunities in a way that is non-pleading, non-supplicative without trying to convince. It can be as simple as, "Why don't we go hang out...and let you see some of the fun you've been missing?" (said with a smile).
> Dreem: The initial approach you make is not to CHASE but to make yourself available to her as a PRIZE worth going for. At any point in the interaction if you cross the line from being the PRIZE to the CHASER/PURSUER then the game is over for you, because by doing that you've communicated to her that you're not the guy she thought you were and any attraction for you dissipates to zero. A complete switch from ON to OFF.
Ross: Look - maintaining the right posture is important. But you can only get by on posture for so long. There has to be SUBSTANCE. And the substance has to be MORE than the interest she gets from your positioning. It also has to be about triggering the feeling states in her; her "lust" "passion" "connection" recipes that "bake her feeling pies" to use a metaphor. You won't do that by just playing these YOU HAVE TO CHASE ME GAMES. Unless you happen to make her clitty tingle just by how good looking you are.
> Dreem: So when a chick shoots you IOIs, she's basically registering her interest with you and expects you to engage her with your screening test. For the genuine article, she EXPECTS to go through a qualifying test to prove her worth to him before he would want anything to do with her.
Ross: Easy enough. "If you could name 3 things about yourself that are uniquely attractive that have nothing to do with your physical appearance..what would they be?"
> Dreem: Why chicks come on 'dates' or Day 2 (D2) meets Why do some chicks come for D2 meets-ups only to blow the guy off after that?
Ross: Maybe he's fucking boring on the second meet. Or can't capture her imagination or get her intrigued. Maybe he's a knob who is good looking enough to get some initial attention but he fucks it up when he opens his mouth.
And maybe some of what you talk about below is correct. But beware of ascribing ALL of a phenomena to ONE factor. That's almost always a mistake.
Look: any GOOD sarge requires setting a strong lead, but it also requires gathering some high level information. If you don't know the topics, themes and questions that dig into her deeper mind, all this Alpha positioning at best will get you past her initial "NO DORKY LOSER" tests, but it won't get you much further unless you make her pussy wet with the way you happen to look.
I"m not saying you are wrong. I'm saying your information is incomplete and you are dramatically over-valuing its importance.
> Dreem: Chicks come on D2 meets to pass your test. At that point IMO they have already chosen you and it's up to you not to fuck it up.
Ross: Horseshit. The fact that you initially intrigued her enough to get her to come to a second meet doesn't by any means mean that you are in. It just means you've got her sufficiently interested to invest some more time. IF you think that all you need to do on the second meet to score is to "screen her" you are just plainly wrong.
> Dreem: They spend a long time getting ready, putting on make-up, wearing a sexy outfit. Why?
Ross: They enjoy the power. They like looking hot and they want to have power over you. That doesn't mean they have already decided to fuck you because they show up for a second meet. MAYBE they have. MAYBE they haven't. You can't talk generally; YOU HAVE TO CALIBRATE TO THE UNIQUE HUMAN WOMAN IN FRONT OF YOU.
Again though, ALPHA/PUAS reject calibration as being "pussy" and "beta" when in fact, it's vital. Learn to read the unique woman and you'll not have to rely on these blanket theories as to where she's at.
> Dreem: Subconsciously they expect YOU to present them with some sort of test that they have to pass to win you over. You can present the test in a nice, playful, interesting way without coming off as arrogant and obnoxious, or boring.
Ross: Great. Test. I agree. Just don't assume it is enough. It usually isn't.
Look guys: I'm not saying testing and screening is bad. Or positioning yourself to be occasionally unavailable or not always returning calls.
In fact, I give this advice myself.
I'm simply saying IT ISN'T ENOUGH.
It's like a left jab in a boxing match.
Is a left jab WRONG? Should you never throw left jabs?
No, left jabs are great. They are effective. But if it is the only punch you have, you are probably going to lose.
> Dreem: On D2 meets the proper dynamics is to create an undercurrent of SCREENING, even though you're nice, playful and friendly in the surface. You don't even have to be C&F. You could be the quietest and nicest guy in the world and still project a vibe of screening, which is one thing women respond to positively.
Ross: Great. I agree. Just don't expect it will be enough.
> Dreem: The way to do this congruently is to FORGET ABOUT SEX with her at that moment and examine her from the position of long term compatibility. "Will this woman be really compatible with me LONG TERM?", "Has she got all the qualities I like in a LONG TERM partner?". I know most guys (including me) just want sex, but when you forget about sex and screen them from the view point of long term compatibility, that is when they actually give you the sex. Of course after you get the sex you can move on, you don't have to actually date them.
Ross: I think putting aside the sexual vibe and agenda is useful, but not for the reasons you state. A strong sexual vibe and agenda, early on, is going to creep her out and fuck up your ability to gather the right information about her.
Sure, you will phase shift into the sexual stuff. But don't come in with a heavy sexual intent in the beginning.
> Dreem: Men have even gone as far as using NLP and hypnosis to try to influence women. In trying to qualify for her, or using covert methods to find out what she wants in a man, they're actually doing the OPPOSITE of what they really should be doing and that is why seeking approval and trying to get her to like you fails EVERY TIME.
Ross: This is brutally incorrect. You aren't trying to "qualify" for her because it isn't about trying to adopt some behavior. It's about evoking, eliciting and using HER feeling processes - her recipes for lust, desire, indulgence, fascination, escape, etc. by using your conversation; the questions you ask, themes and topics you bring up, etc. etc. etc.
Ross responding to this from Papa:
>Papa: [credit RJ, Style, and Playboy to helping to create this opener] Excuse me...are you someone confident enough to accept a compliment from a complete stranger.
Ross: Papa, first, thanks for giving credit where it is due. In any case, good modification of my opener, "Are you confident enough to accept a sincere compliment?" The opener, itself, without the twist you added (which I love; it turns a direct opener into a put-on...good going!) works because it challenges HER to be open enough to hear what you have to say AND accept. She's agreeing to drop the shields to hear you.
Your twist is sort of like my "life's too short" put on. Where I say, "Life's too short....to hesitate.....when you meet someone you think....is amazingly attractive."
Then when they smile and say, "Thank you!" I playfully punch their arm and say, "Hey..I was talking about ME!"
> Papa: I would also sometimes follow up the direct opener with opinion openers if the direct approach wouldn't fly, or else I'd introduce myself, and instigate lots of playful kino and jokes. Here, I've been cavemaning heavily with playful kino and excessive pimp talking and girls say I exude lots of sexual energy, but I misinterpret it to me getting to caveman more.
Ross: Try fractionating a bit. Pull back the caveman and put in a bit of "poindexter" just to mix it up. Switch to almost a professorial, nerdish curiosity and ask them about something about themselves. Then fly back to caveman. Then try coming from a place of quiet still warmth. Imagine your whole body is a soothing, warm bath they want to fall into. Try to take on as many emotive/energetic/symbolic positions as possible.
Cycle through them and see what hits best at which stage of the sarge.
Attach a symbol as well as a specific set of postures, over all body energies, voice tones, expressions for each one.
Don't get stuck in one arch-type. A good magician can wear many faces and assume MANY forms. The overall controlling form is the meta-programmer who watches from behind to the side or above or below you and says, "Ok..try this one on NOW!".
This is the problem with ALWAYS being "alpha" as some guys define it.
ALWAYS dominating, ALWAYS busting, ALWAYS cave-manning. It may not fit. Or it may fit sometimes and other times may call for other things. Learn to call on the deep intuitive side of you that can read people like a book.
Call on the warm, inviting, soothed and soothing side. Call on the totally domineering and sneering (have a look at Ian McKellan's Magneto in X-Man 2, especially when he escapes his plastic cell and when he is talking to Pyro in the X-Jet.)
Yes, there ARE times in a sarge with some women when being soft, quiet, and kind works as well as CAVEMAN. True wisdom and freedom is the magick of knowing how to put on ALL these things like different clothes and when to pull them off. And when to reach into the true perceiver and pure awareness that is REALLY you beneath, behind and beyond all of this, the PURUSHA as we say in Yoga. Can only be reached through meditation and pranayama. Only I teach this in this field, this game.
This is the REALLY advanced stuff that frees us from ONE form, one energy, one approach and gives us the true flexible range to calibrate to the unique chick or chicks in front of us. This takes training in my Magickal/Self and other exercises to pull off. Some guys will need some reprogramming. But THIS level of game you can ONLY learn from me. I'll be teaching it in NYC May 7, 8, 9.
chariot:
RSD Seminar/Workshop Weekend, Sydney Australia
Last weekend seems like a surreal blur of events for me at the moment. This is a full weekend report - with heaps of tight sets and tight material.
DAY ONE, Friday.
Coolwater, Phil and I are at the venue for the workshop on Darling Harbour when the RSD team shows up. TylerDurden gives a charismatic and uplifting intro into the night/weekend, filled with openers/routines for us to use out tonight. We meet the other guys/instructors for the night and off we go.
We hit a venue called Establishment, a nice upbeat lounge place with HB's and AMOGS everywhere...
I go in first by myself and hit a set of 3 HB's - got a great response and chat/routine for like 15 minutes when Tyler comes in and approaches the hottest girl. Her buying temperature goes up too fast and ASD wall goes up because he looked TOO money (compliments to the peacock jacket). We eject and Tyler sends me into a guy/girl mixed set. Cool.
I roll in on this big, buff, good looking black dude and HBfunsmile, who is a solid 8... I open with a moulded version of jealous GF/girl guy lie opinion.
chariot: "Guys, I need an opinion on something... who lies more? Guys or girls?"
HB & AMOG: Blah blah some shit
chariot..."I was chatting to some girls in a club last weekend... and you'll never guess! - my girlfriend stormed out of the club when she saw this... I'm like wtf!!?? anyway - EX-GIRLFRIEND!!! - what do you guys think of that???"... she's into it... the dude says some dumb shit that was in my frame that I can't remember...
I bust him on his somewhat nervous mannerisms towards HBFunsmile. She laughs and touches me and shit.
I run best friends routine on both of them (do you guys use the same shampoo/cold read EC connection stuff Style posted).
AMOG: "Ohhhh - we're close friends"
HBfunsmile: "Yeah... were very very close"...(buying into his frame)
chariot: "well, why are you standing like that dude?" and I put my hands on both of their heads and push them together like I'm pushing them into a makeout
(btw I could tell this was a pickup and they just met). He does some lame ass air kiss to her which *sucks* and she's like fully eye contact and BL on me now.
Nice. So I put this real surprised look on my face and continue...
chariot: "OMG! OMG!!!???"
HBfunsmile: "What!!??"
chariot: "I just crashed a pickup!!!"
AMOG: "ummmm ahhhh - we're just friends" - looks fucked up/deflated
chariot: "hahaha, sorry dude!" I hug him like I own him.
At this point I'm thinking "fuck - this is cool - but I really want to see TylerDurden in action! That's really what I'm here for!"
chariot: "Anyway, I better not spoil you up anymore, dude - see ya guys"
HBfunsmile: "Your so confident! (touching me) Stay with us!"
I then give her a sexual stare (eyes/mouth/eyes/mouth) - turn and go find TD.
TD and I then cruise out the front with one of the students...
He immediately tells me to open some set...
Can't remember how it went down, but TD comes over and got some girl really into him and he was holding hands doing trust test or something while her cockblock friend tried so fucking hard to get her away.
Anyway me and the student are chatting and he says he's not doing so well so I open a mixed set so he can watch...
This set was out front of some exclusive door to some exclusive part of the club...
There was this big AMOG bouncer & HB9 older (30) door chick with clipboard ready to sign names off...
chariot: Hey guys, I'm just heading down to see some friends, but I need an opinion on something...
The bouncer is looking aloof and get the fuck away from here...
HBdoorchick: "Sure!"
I then run who lies more routine and tease her a bit...
Then I ask the bouncer - and for fear of not being accepted by door chick - he buys into my frame and talks some shit.
HBdoorchick: "Well I'm actually married" - flashing her ring.
IOI!!! - her buying temp must have shot up.
Can't remember what happened now - but I talked some shit about connections and she was really into it...
but I eject (lamo - one thing I learned the next day was DO NOT EJECT).
I see her in the club later and she's checking me out... so it was ok. Sorta. Nah not really - moving on.
HBfunsmile from earlier waves me over about an hour later (she is without dude)
HBfunsmile: "Did you know that guy was a Chelsea English FOOTBALLER!!!???"
chariot: "Nah - is that cool?!" (thinking WTF!!!!!!! I out-alpha'd a Chelsea footballer - hahaha!)
fluff fluff - she was really into it - I sat there acting cool/laid back and she was qualifying, etc... ummmm how do I escalate this situation???!!!
I'm bored now - fuck! EJECT.
Saw Tyler do his thing in front of like 10 AMOGS (posted in OR on ASF below, Random unrelated events in Sydney).... it was cool shit.
Anyway we end up crashing for the night...
DAY 2 - Saturday
The seminar was great stuff. As you can see above... I had problems escalating. SOLVED IN SEMINAR. Nice.
NIGHT 2 - Saturday
I roll up to Establishment with Playboy LA and we meet up with other students and Papa in a club called Establishment. Playboy and I engage a 2 set at the back of the club, get well past hook point, but buying temp is not amped massively because I'm not really running much attract material. Anyway we split the set at about the same time - I take my girl out the front to find a couch (don't know where Playboy went with his girl)... no couches so we lean up against the wall.
I run cube with lots of mini cold reads. For example, I said "Whoa - you have had real troubles with a boyfriend at one stage"... Really though, what fucking HB hasn't???? And she starts freaking out like "OMG how did you know that just from this cube thing OMG!!??"
Silly chick logic.
Playboy and his girl come back over to us and Playboy runs the rollerblading routine where he tells this story that the both of us went rollerblading and as we were helping each other out - we looked gay in front of a lot of people... gets them laughing. We adopt them as our rock band groupies and then we do a mini takeaway to see if they re-initiate... they just stand there all nervous so we eject - Back to that set later!
We find Papa up the back with some other students and Papa sends me back into a mixed set of 2 guys and 2 B6.5's.
Ok. So they didn't look like 6.5's but they were. I get them all kino pinging, etc. and they are loving it.
Guys eject. The girls give me their digital camera to take a photo of them and as they pose. I turn around and take photos of other HB's. ... long story short... I eject them and while I am in another set they walk by and I grab one hand and make her twirl... they ask me to dance so I do.
I end up grinding with both of them but they are 6.5's so I feel lameass and eject after about 2 minutes.
I open other sets and get good responses but can't really remember....
DAY 3 - Sunday - Seminar. More awesome material. TD notifies me of a sticking point I *HAD* where I was too jumpy and fast. I was confusing actual ENERGY with BUYING TEMPERATURE. Cool. All my sets below are heaps slower/more sexual now. After fixing this up my game has gone up massively.
NIGHT 3 - Sunday
We are hitting this venue in Coodgee Beach called the Palace tonight so I roll with some of the other students (we are meeting up with instructors there). On the way I look over and there are these awesome 2 blondes standing about 20 meters away out the front of a pizza shop.
chariot (to other guys): "FUCK IT - Blondes"
BANG - I've locked them in my sight.
The other guys are just watching, I'm assuming - as I open.
They are 2 blonde Swedish HB8 and 8.5. Nice.
chariot: David Bowie opener
HB's: blah blah..
chariot: "I'm going to meet my friends" (back turn) - Strategic, this wasn't going to fail because I knew they were into me.
HB's: Wait!!?? - Why did you want to know...
I slowly turn to them and run along that thread for a bit - then playfully tease...
They are kinoing me and loving it.
I adopt them and they ask me to roll to the Palace with them.
chariot: Whoa - I don't know if I can trust you guys (sexual predator routine).
HB's: HAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG!!! - All into me, kinoing me and shit. "You can trust us!!!"
I run some more tease game... Saying - I will call you "Little Miss Trouble" - and you "Little Miss Naughty".
chariot: "So it's official now - you guys are adopted. But don't try any naughty stuff on me. I know your game!"
They are FULLY into me.
Meanwhile these guys at the pizza shop can't believe what is going down, one guy calls his friend out to watch.
I run trust test on one of them (the other gets jealous) and bust on her for failing ("Your supposed to be adopted!").
BTW - trust test is money. It makes hardly any sense - but girls LOVE IT. I do this every set now and get so many IOI's from people watching - it's easily transitioned into CUBE or 3/7 routine.
Anyway their pizza is ready and they walk up to the counter.
I act very aloof like I'm about to just wander off - and they call me back to them.
Without saying a word I slowly take their pizza from them... to which I have NO resistance. They just look at me like zombies, waiting for me to do something else cool. I turn, hold both arms out (with pizza in hand) - "Ok, let's roll".
They link arms with me... and we start to walk.
PS. Right now I'm thinking FUCK! I have two smoking fucking Swedish chicks all on me. This is a bit cool.
HB1: "Hey - you know - we are from Sweden, we do not have sex until after marriage"
SHIT TEST
HB2: "Yeah! We do not know how to suck guys."
Trust me: Hearing a Swedish girl accent talking about sucking - gets you a bit excited.
In my head I'm thinking SHIT TESTS - Be fucking COOL.
I hand the pizza to one of them... and to the other - I slowly roll up very seductively - tri gaze - and get very close up against her so her breasts are touching my chest ... pause... maintain seductive eye contact... "you... are... fucking lying to me."
Her circuits FRY. She goes doggy dinner bowl and sexually hyper all at the same time and starts fucking SHRIEKING.
They both start kinoing immediately and act like I'm a rockstar or something.
I'm thinking what TD said earlier in the day "I learned this on the fucking INTERNET!!! hahaha"
We get to the end of the corner and I start (not visibly) freaking... thinking where are the other guys I was with!!?? I don't know Sydney at all?!! My phone battery is almost dead and I don't know where the fuck the Palace is!!??.
So I hand back the pizza and say I really gotta jet.
The hotter one jumps on me for my number - AWESOME! I got number closed. She then calls my number on the spot to see if it's legit.
I bust them on being predators and leave.
I walk back up to where I was and found the guys in some chicken place. (DAMN - I should have just gone with them to their apartment or whatever - I fly out tomorrow and will never see them again. Oh well, tight set).
I find TD and wing a few sets with him, which were tight. But the club closes and we lose our set. We roll out front and open these two very very hot girls (like HB8.5 & 9) from the US. Tyler ran most of the set and then goes:
"My friend and I are sitting over there, come join us"... They follow, so on this seat it's CHARIOT HB1 HB2 TYLER.
Tyler starts running game on HB2 and I start up on HB1.
I run some attract stuff, then the CUBE. She gets into it, but we get moved by security and they say they have to go catch their lift.
Oh well.
We roll to the next club in Kings Cross. I go in set as soon as we get in... I think I used the David Bowie opener again... and they are like "ohhh someone just asked us that"... but they didn't blow me out at all - it was like they chose not to let that get to them and let me continue my PU. Weird.
Anyway, it doesn't go very far so I move on to the next set, which was a two set. One was a smoking hot 9.5 for sure. The other one ejected as soon as I opened. HB9.5 stayed though - awesome - IOI!? I run some attract - saying her friend has ADD. She has this awesome British accent that I love. She starts telling me how she is from London blah blah so I cut in with "Have you ever been CUBEd?"
She is like "what!??"
At this point I hear TD come behind me say "move her up against the wall."
She sees (and hears, I think) this but it doesn't register in her brain.
- side note - TD was awesome like this. He knew exactly what stage I was in my pickup and gave great advice right in front of the girls. I love how it is outside their reality so it doesn't register. Awesome stuff.
chariot: (while moving up to wall) "I can ask you five questions - and tell you more about yourself than even you know".
HBLondon: "Ok! - cool"
chariot: CUBE
HBLondon: "OMG!!! You are spinning me out" (looks a bit distressed)
chariot: "It's ok, babe - hey get this - this is the trust test."
I go to take her drink from her so I can hold her hands but she resists...
HBLondon: "I have to go find my friend... so nice to meet you *kisses me on cheek* - bye!"
FUCK. She was hot. Oh well.
TD and I go downstairs on this lounge for a bit and HBLondon and friend come down stairs. TD sends me back in but I get shunned. TD thinks ASD. Which makes perfect sense. So we move on anyway. I open some more sets and do well but we decide to move outside.
So I'm outside with TD and another guy, BT. We open some sets and do very well. We chill out for a bit. and Coolwater, Cliff (Australian) and other students roll up. We chat for a bit and I watch TD jump on this 2 set. One was a tall 6' blonde HB, another was this very cute HB in a cap. TD isolates HBcap and HBBlonde is left standing there. 2 vagrants/bums approach her. My alarm bells ring. SHE WILL COCKBLOCK TD FOR SURE.
I roll up on HB blonde and link arms with her so I'm in between her and these bums.
chariot: "We were just going to the club, huh?"
HBBlonde: "Yeah... cool... let's go"
chariot: (while walking away with her) "You have creepy friends"
HBBlonde: "Thank you so so much... what's your name"
chariot: "Haha, guess"
HBBlonde: "Ummmm x-name"
chariot: "Nahhh - it's chariot - hey did you know that they say you need 11 hugs a day to stay healthy?"
HBBlonde: "Ohhh - really *Hugs me*"
She is holding her wallet and it kinda gets in the road so I take it from her. I open it and take out her University ID. FUCK! She is a 25 year old Law Student! AWESOME. I laugh and hold up her ID to her face - she playfully punches me in the stomach - to which I do the same.
HBBlonde: "Hey - your laughing at me!"
chariot: "Nah - your wallet was in the way of us getting our healthy hug"!
She takes her wallet back and puts it in her skirt...mmmm. I'm checking her out fully. She is hot.
She hugs me again and I do the massage/hug manoeuvre I learnt in seminar.
HBBlonde: "Ohhhhhh - are you massaging me... mmm"
chariot: "Ohhh - I don't know if you deserve a massage yet!"
HBBlonde: "Awwww - at least we are 2 hugs up!"
chariot: "Actually I'm like 14 for today so lucky me! I'm in surplus!"
HBBlonde: (looks genuinely a bit sad) "Ohhh - so you do this to all the girls?"
chariot: "Get this - this is the trust test."
I run trust test and she gets into it - ignoring the fact that I'm a player. I remember TD telling me to move the girls.... so I ask her if she has ever been CUBE'd. She says no so I move her like 5 meters away so we are leaning up against a wall. Some of the other students line up and watch me run this... she sees this cockfarm watching us, but chooses not to let it register in her brain because she is having too good emotions. I run part of the Cube and as she is visualizing stuff she is closing her eyes. I move in real close while she is doing this and let my face get right up to hers. I fully want to kiss her.
She has these soft, pouty hot lips that would be perfect for kissing and other stuff.
She feels my lips very close to hers, and whispers "Are you trying to kiss me?"
I bypass the kiss to build tension and run part of the evolution phase shift....
chariot: "You know, when animals mate, they smell each other like this.." I run my nose from her shoulder up to her ear. She is getting turned on/zombie like tranced out. Her friend, HBcap (who TD WAS occupying) comes over and tries to cockblock.
chariot: "What are you??! The drag away friend?"
At this point something WEIRD happens. She looks at HBBlonde and sees that she is fully in trance state.
HBcap: "Ok... continue!" AND LEAVES!
chariot to HBBlonde: "You know... I fly out tomorrow - and we will NEVER see each other again"
HBBlonde: (tranced out doggy dinner bowl look) "ok..." boom she looks at my mouth and leans in.
*TONGUEDOWN*
In 15 minutes - late at night on the streets of Kings Cross - in front of heaps of students and my fucking idol TylerDurden.
Nice.
Her and HBcap leave. TD number closed HBcap. I unfortunately can't day2 HBblonde cos I live 7 hours away. Oh well. TD debriefs us all and we all part.
So now... I've been home for a week after this crazy weekend. And I have already gamed more girls in the last week than I have for the past year! It was the coolest weekend... tight material... tight instructors... a very very very high recommendation to take the RSD program is an understatement.
Thanks heaps to Papa - Playboy LA - TylerDurden - Coolwater - Veroxii - Cliff - Jeff - Dan - and all the other guys that I met.
Mark B.:
The way that I see it is that success with women is really about two things. The first is taking a risk, a chance. The second is being attractive. Considering any more than these two factors complicates matters unnecessarily.
The first component rests with us. Most of the time we have to approach her, say the first words, ask for a number, make a move, kiss her, and take her to the bedroom. When I see a woman that I would like to meet and I hesitate, I ask myself "if not me then who? And if not now, then when?" and I just go ahead and approach her. Sometimes if a woman makes her interest known even then we have to take a risk to elevate things to a higher level.
The second part is being found attractive. Here we have to work with what nature gave us but we can still exercise some measure of control over the process. To me this means looking one’s best. Hitting the gym, being in shape, having clean proper fitting clothes, eating a clean diet. However there are also aspects of what she may find attractive that exist beyond our control. Too many guys tend to ignore this painful truth because often no matter what we say and do, if she is not attracted to a guy physically, there is little that can be done to get her to see him other than for friendship. And if he does succeed in becoming romantically involved with her it’s usually on the basis of guilt or some sort of verbal and mental submission, it's only temporary and when the effect wears off she bolts or finds a lover on the side while you shell out for dinner and clothes.
If a woman is attracted to a guy she will give him slack, room to connect with her and even if he does not get things right, she will forgive him to some degree because she finds him desirable. A well-experienced successful man knows this fact so he does not try to be perfect nor does he try to impress her or go out of his way to show his interest. He knows that there are too many factors out of his control that could impact his appeal to her so he does not try very hard, just enough. He shows her who he is and if that is not enough for her then so be it. The way I see it, it’s too hard to try and be someone else because inevitably it's tiring and illusory. The illusion inevitably fades and ultimately we just want to relax and have her be with us for who we really are as men. However this does not discount evolving as a result of experience with success and failure, behaving in a manner that brings successful meetings and ultimately sex. Ultimately we have to do what works and change tactics along the way but
if we have to alter who we are to cater to her, I do not believe that leads to a very fulfilling and satisfying place.
On master seducer behavior
Men that have had significant amounts of success with women tend to be more relaxed and laid back. They know that when a woman is interested, she is, and he does not have to go out of his way to try and impress her or make his interest excessively known. He knows that all he needs to do is to stay engaged with her in light conversation with a bend on focusing on her and her interests in order to keep her engaged. When he can feel she is interested in him, by how she reacts, he knows that he has control over the situation and that inevitably in time she will be his. He sees her looking him in the eye, how she stays engaged, her smile, how she does not deviate attention away from him as clues to the extent of her interest in him. He sees these signs and knows he only needs to do the minimum to keep her engaged. And when she is not interested, he knows there is little or next to nothing he can do to win her over. So in either case he does not try very hard. If she does not bite, he moves on. Either way he stays
calm, cool and collected. Through his manner he seduces and attracts open and interested women and does not make uninterested women feel uneasy or uncomfortable nor does he waste time with them. Most importantly though he relaxes and lures in attracted but still uncertain and ambivalent women who want to wait and feel him out and determine the extent of his awareness of her interest in him before they open up totally. In my view most women, even ones attracted to a guy will tend to test and feel out a guy this way. When she feels a high degree of certainty about him, she takes him to the bedroom.
Conversely a guy who has had little success does not have this frame of reference and acts like a salivating dog about to be fed his first bone. If he responds at all he turns off potentially interested women with way too much attention. He thinks he needs to tell her everything and show how much he wants her. Too often this is too much. He goes overboard with his expression of interest and comes off desperate and lacking. He shows he does not know how to recognize signs of interest or disinterest. Women tend to have a sixth sense about these things. She is able to smell out a man in advance and as he fails her tests, she moves on.
On control in a relationship
I have found that no matter how much we think we should do things on our terms and how much we are in control, it's women that have the pussy and they are the ones that determine when and where they offer it to us. I have found that most women indeed play a game of backing the guy off to see if he will respect her wishes and still seem fine with not having her sexually before she sleeps with him for the first time. Therefore it’s important to back off when a woman says slow down or that she does not want to go further (not to mention the legal implications of not backing down) and let her know you are fine with not going further sexually. Doing so and respecting her wishes shows her that she has control over the situation and you will stop whenever she wants you to stop. She can then feel free to engage. All too often a woman who said "no" and I said I was fine with her decision, ended up fucking me within the next few hours anyway. She felt a comfort level and let her guard down. The same goes when she says
she has a bf or does not want a relationship. We have no choice but to say "that’s fine with me" and then keep going. In fact these seem to be four magic words that tend to work just that, magic.
While I believe that there is little we can do to make ourselves attractive to a woman, we can do a lot to prevent looking less attractive. The essence of Game Theory, in the world of statistics, suggests that the winning strategy of any game where you have two of more competing against each other, suggests that the winning strategy is one which seeks to minimize losses rather than maximize gains. In fact, seeking to maximize gains has been shown to result in greater losses. This means that we are better off looking to prevent being seen in a negative light rather than trying to create some positive, all too often false image.
To me this means doing less rather than more. This means not calling her incessantly, not complimenting her as much if at all, not salivating over her when we see her, not acting too happy when she comes into view, not talking too much or telling her too much about our lives, not talking too much when we see her. Yet at the same time it's important to act and go for what we want – take her home or somewhere where we can close the deal.
Halbmike:
> Tyler wrote: A big smoke screen put out by women/society is that women come on 'dates' and expect the guy to win them over. It's actually the other way round, they want to win the guy over but the guy has to give them what to do to get into his good books. Chicks are unsure of what to say or do to qualify for you so they usually respond with saying/doing nothing because they don't know your criteria, so they don't know what they have to do. Instead they wait for you to present them with the test.
Halbmike: Scoring Points
One of the easiest ways to do this is simply keep score. ie You're losing points with me (pause) fast. You do that and you'll be scoring points with me. If she does something good "Now, you're scoring points with me...Hi 5." Keep scoring points and I'll let you ....
You can also combine this with competition. You're gonna have to do better than that if you expect to score points with me...Jill is cooking me dinner tonite (pause) and she is a gourmet cook.
Another nice routine is...
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm kinda not really interested in something meaningless at the moment. I am really focused on some goals that are very important to me and I want time for me. I don't have patience for women who don't really EXCITE ME. I don't want to just get involved in anyone unless they really BLOW ME away. Before I give my time and energy to anyone they've got to PROVE TO ME that they're extraordinary and impress me with passion, humor, adventure, intelligence and lots of other great qualities. And, if someone can do that I will give it back to them in spades. I'll give them experiences that most women only get to fantasize about because I can appreciate a good thing when I see it.
Artisan:
Hey Cliff: It's been a while since I read or contributed to your newsletter, mainly due to lack of time. But things have been going really crazy for me. In fact, I recently noticed something about myself lately that I thought I would share with your readers. As you know, I have my own "Aura" method which has been serving me well. However, the problem is, believe it or not, it works too well. My issue is that I have had several instances when a woman will fall in love with the very night I meet her, before I even sex her. And when I do sex her, well, she then either proposes marriage to me, or wants to live together. This has happened too many times for it to be a coincidence. I know this sounds strange, perhaps even arrogant, you might think I'm BSing you... but I'm not, and you know me well enough to know this. Thing is, most guys would ask what the problem is then. For me, I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with a chyck having stronger feelings for me then I do for her. As you know me, I've become a bit mor
e sensitive person over time, and become sensitive to other's feelings.
Thing is, I'm not even trying to seduce any women nowadays, but yet it still is happening. I'm not sure what's going on here, because I've made it a point to be more low key, and to try and tone down whatever it is that's happening to cause this kind of reaction from women. Perhaps I'm simply on "auto pilot". And BTW: These chycks are definitely attractive, as you are also aware of my high standards. I go after nothing but at least an 8.5 and higher, so you know I'm not seducing fat chycks or swamp donkeys, or any other desperate type who would permanently latch on to anything with a penis.
QUESTION REGARDING THE ABOVE: What then, is going on? What can you account for all of your success?
My difficulty in explaining this I think is because I suspect it is a lot of a bunch of little things that are adding up. This is in addition to a lot of the basics already covered in the archives which includes things like taking care of yourself, working out, exercising. As you know I've done a lot of SS, and related stuff, read DYD and countless of other techniques, and I got really caught up in the mechanics of seduction techniques, as if seduction was something linear and forensic.
It's difficult to say what I am, or what my methods are totally, but I know what I am NOT. I'm NOT Mystery (though I respect what he has accomplished) meaning I'm not the entertainer kind of guy. I can't say that I approach women. I guess I am the fly-on-the-wall who somehow ends up meeting with HBs 8.5 or higher and have much success.
To the best of my knowledge, and looking back after so long, I try to back track to where it began. When I first started out, after practicing and studying, I would get success (small) then failures, then success then.. I just quit.. I got sick of the whole study of it all, like you had to have some degree in chyck logic in order to be successful... so I stopped trying to impress them, and it's at this point when I became successful. This kind of thing I think falls into German philosopher Martin Heidegger's "We pursue that which retreats from us" ideology. Whereas there are many dorks who approach women, and many men who are lounge lizards who approach women, chycks, at least I find the chycks in North America have become either sick of guys approaching them, OR they expect to be approached and enjoy the stroking guys give them.
But when you don't fall into either of these types, chycks get curious about you. This just one aspect that comes to my mind.
SS is also good, as you may recall three years ago when we got together we went out. I was not nearly adept back then as I am now, but I seem to remember your friends liked a few of the SS patterns I developed. One of them (forgot his name-- cool guy though) had success with the Boyfriend Pre-Emptive Strike Destroyer pattern.
What has changed for me, at least what comes to my mind as I write this:
1. stop wanting women so much
2. In any situation, observe how guys behave, and notice how successful or unsuccessful they are, and do just the opposite of the guys who crash and burn. PS - this usually means you can stop trying so hard, because of all the Pavlovian dogs running around with their dicks in their hands. Chycks can sense this a mile away.
This is all I can think of right now, though I suspect it has only scratched the surface... as I remember more I could update you.
PROMOS & REVIEWS SECTION (there are NO paid ads in this list and never have been. The "commercial" section is distinguished by the "--------------" separators):
DAVID NEWS:
We now have a new writer working on the book who is enthusiastically absorbing all of David's ideas and is working feverishly to get this show on the road. David has been doing a lot more personal consultations lately and will hopefully have his newsletter out shortly. We still need questions by email and it would be appreciated if you could ask David about any related topic that could be of interest (how to find, meet, attract, close and keep women, etc.).
Please send them to him at david@be-relentless.com. I would recommend you copy me as well (cliff@cliffslist.com) so I will make sure they get answered.
All subscribers of these emails will be given a free subscription and, as here, you can unsubscribe at any time. I know that you will find his comments and advice to be pretty unique and very useful. We are also making progress on the long awaited book which we hope will be ready relatively soon now.
The tapes of the David Seminar are now available and are being shipped upon receipt of your order, but please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. You can visit the website at www.be-relentless.com and orders should be made through paypal (go to www.paypal.com and send money to sales@be-relentless.com) if you need some other way to make payment, inquire at info@be-relentless.com. This product comes on two DVD discs for a total of approximately 6 1/2 hours of playing time. The price is $230 USD + $20 USD for the DVD which covers shipping and handling anywhere in the world. Inquire about shipping by overnight courier. These tapes are now available in a sound only version also.
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available. David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on how to succeed in your particular mission.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
Doc gives a class titled "How to Pick Up Women: Learn to Be Irresistible to Them!" in Toronto.
He also gives a "Power Dating" speed dating event there as well. This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. Anyone interested in attending, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List. Also note: RSD will consider working out payment plans to make their workshop affordable - mention this to them.
Real Social Dynamics (www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Classroom Seminars ($200 deposit required for signup)
Saturday/Sunday 11:00am - 9:00pm
New York Seminar - $300 - April 24-25, 2004
Los Angeles Seminar - $300 - May 29-30, 2004
Amsterdam Seminar - $300 - July 3-4, 2004
Montreal Seminar - $300 - July 10-11, 2004
London Seminar - $300 - August 21-22, 2004
In-Field Workshops ($200 deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 9:00pm - 2:30am
New York - Workshop - $600 - April 23-April 25, 2004
Los Angeles Workshop - $600 - May 28-30, 2004
Amsterdam Workshop - $600 - July 2-4, 2004
Montreal Workshop - $600 - July 9-11, 2004
London Workshop - $600 - August 20-22, 2004
Individualized Boot-Camps ($200 deposit required for signup)
Friday/Saturday/Sunday 1:00pm - 2:30am
· Individualized Boot-Camp -$1500 - Schedule Date/Location with Papa
Go to www.realsocialdynamics.com/ to signup for the next events on their schedule as they are launching a new program.
Mystery Method Workshops:
Mysterymethod.com and mysterysexmagic.com do not exist anymore and are redirected to Real Social Dynamics.
Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
Speed Seduction Seminars (www.speedseduction.net/)
Here is the 2004 schedule:
Speed Seduction Seminars:
April 30-May 2 NYC
Sept 3,4,5 London England
Unstoppable Personal Influence Mastery (women encouraged to attend!)
May 7-9 NYC
Sept 10, 11, 12 London England
Major Mark (www.trucor.com) has announced his schedule for 2004:
*Marknosis And Magick In Miami-- May 7-9
At the heart of every effective Change technology -- like organized religion, psychology and magick -- we find a common set of states and effects that allow you to truly experience and subsequently Believe. Join us in South Beach as we explore the hypnotic elements of Ritual and Magick. Sun, surf, sultry nights and amazing sights as we create our own body of powerful personal rituals for self-exploration, self-development, and the quest for Power and Influence in this world as well! Come for the toolbox of techniques that maximize influence within ritual behaviors, or just come to step through the looking-glass and begin living
*Beyond Seduction In Montreal -- July 16-18
Cliff's Comment: MONTREAL!!!!
*Introduction To Hypnosis -- The New Curriculum -- Las Vegas September 20-24
This year we were asked by a national hypnosis group to develop a New Curriculum for the training of hypnotists -- one which would reflect the absolute best of what has always worked while incorporating our own cutting-edge discoveries. We wanted a curriculum that was so comprehensive in explication and exercise that the graduates could walk into an internship anywhere in the world, secure that they were the best-trained hypnotists in the place. The result is being rolled out over five days in Las Vegas. This is your chance to immerse yourself in the most comprehensive approach to powerful, positive, permanent change ever presented!
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about these seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to www.trucor.com
Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus" such as (), David X, and many others.
2004 Tentative Seminar Schedule:
Los Angeles Mastery Program - Special seminar April 29 to May 2. This will be a one time, 4 day program, all new material.
London, England, July.
New York September.
Las Vegas beginning of December.
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on sarges, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is a respected poster in Mystery's lounge and he has held workshops together with TylerDurden and Papa.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing shit tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG handshake, group set AMOG destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good sex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into fuck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: www.playboylifestyle.net
Thundercat's Seduction Lair
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today!
www.thundercatseductionlair.com
Visit this site:
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
Carlos Xuma:
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has a system and set of Tarot Cards that he his going to be launching soon. Find out more at his website.
P.S. Try magic words 'ben' 'rap' and 'nlp'.
A few sites to check out:
Mike Pilinski is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (www.whatsyourexcuse.com & www.mydatingagent.com).
Swinggcat: www.realworldseduction.com
Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: www.HypnosisEvents.com
The Foundations of Seduction
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LOUIS AND COPELAND'S "FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
To find out more about "Freedom with Women", contact
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Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
Michael:
If you want to improve not only your game, but also your understanding of women on a deeper level, so that you can have more successful relationships, you've got to come out to my Live Dating Wizard Seminar in downtown Toronto, February 21st and 22nd. It will be two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
This is going to be a special seminar where Smooth, the President of the Toronto Lair, will enrich the seminar as a guest speaker. Smooth will lend his rich experience and expertise in several areas, including TONS of experience in real seductions of hotties that are met online.
To learn more about this special seminar, go to:
And follow the "Seminars" link.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
This book is meant for today's situation with women in the Western world. I give you step-by-step details on how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't even have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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