At first I thought it was goofy and supplicating

Seminar list (feel free to send in your schedule for inclusion here): Meeting Saturday, Jan. 26, 2002 at 7:30 in Montreal. Special guest will be David who will do a question and answer session. Email me for location information.

Ross Jeffries' ( http://www.speed-seduction.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant) ) Seminar Schedule for 2002 is as follows: Los Angeles January 25, 26 & 27 Chicago May 3, 4 & 5 Atlanta July 12, 13, & 14 Montreal August 9, 10 & 11 Palo Alto, Calif. Sept. 13, 14, & 15 He will also be giving his Magick/Psychic Influence Seminars in: Orlando, Florida March 29, 30, & 31 New York June 7,8, & 9

Major Mark's (website is www.trucor.com ) seminar schedule for 2002 will include: Feb 22-24 Atlanta -- Advanced Hypnosis: Bringing Deep Trance Resources Into Conscious Control Mar 8-12 Bangkok -- Performance Hypnosis: Basic and Advanced Stage/Public Techniques May 17-19 Lake Tahoe -- An Introduction To Hypnosis And Influence Jul 26-28 Montreal -- The Essential Marknosis: Expositions, Exercises, Inductions and The Alphabet Of Desire Oct 18-20 Austin -- Build A Better Lover: Conditioning For Enhanced Emotional And Sexual Responsiveness

Mystery is conducting Sex Magic Workshops in Toronto, New York City and Los Angeles. Toronto workshop Jan 24, 25 & 26. Mystery has added three more workshops in NYC and one in San Francisco. NYC workshop 1: Feb 1 2 3 NYC workshop 2: Feb 5 6 7 *NEW* NYC workshop 3: Feb 8 9 10 *NEW* NYC workshop 4: Feb 12 13 14 *NEW* NYC workshop 5: Feb 15 16 17 Los Angeles workshop Feb 28, Mar 1 & 2 *NEW* San Francisco workshop Mar 7, 8 & 9 Reserve your spot now (only 6 positions available per workshop) by emailing magic@erikvonmarkovik.com . For more info, visit

Clifford: In addition to these locations, Mystery is planning to hold his workshops in Fort Lauderdale/Miami, Orlando, Las Vegas, Montreal, Vancouver, Philadelphia, Dallas, Boise, New Orleans, Sydney (Australia), Glasgow (Scotland), Chicago, Amsterdam & London (England).

Toecutter ( toecutter@mail.com ) has moved to Melbourne, Australia from Montreal and would be interested to meet either PUA 's there or any attractive women who might be interested to meet a suave, sophisticated mack man. If you get the chance to hook up with him, do it because he's quite successful in the bars and can show you some good, practical stuff that works.

Major Mark (www.trucor.com): I've been off doing deep trance exercises in preparation for Atlanta -- but I DO read my mail in big batches, and I found your mention of the site on my schedule. And sure enough, the site shows bupkus! Here is an update of what OUGHT to have been there -- I'll make some calls and see what happened - looks like we got an inadvertent roll-back. Things are looking up though -- a new site is actually being built with better everything, including separate discussion areas for customers and the public, a monthly e-newsletter, integrated purchasing/registrations, downloadable clips, etc... plus both print and e-mail campaigns -- if you're used to what I did last year as marketing, then this year may come as something of a shock! We're still doing new topics every time out -- with an integration piece at our Montreal stop. And Bangkok -- Bangkok is our blow-your-fuses while learning offering! This year ought to be relaxing and fun. There's more coming on the Austin event
-- I'm still wording it so it's informative yet not-too inflammatory.

Here's what is written about the Montreal stop: The Essential Marknosis: Expositions, Exercises, Inductions and The Alphabet Of Desire July 26-28 Montreal Montreal is different. Because it's become glaringly obvious to me over the years that the primary struggle for most Seekers is NOT to master the arcane lore of the Masters, whomever they may be, but to instead increase the amount of time that we spend being Aware. It turns out it's not necessary to practice the esoteric disciplines designed to induce psychotic breaks in foreign cultures -- we've got plenty of utilizable stuff right here! The trick is to become Aware while going about YOUR life -- not to Wake Up only in some therapy room, dojo or drum circle. To become Aware in real life, and then stay that way.

So Montreal is about bringing Awareness disciplines into your "everyday" life. Better even than The Revealed Secrets Of The Ancient Oriental Masters, Marknosis is a set of mindsets, exercises and practices that I've proven to work for a broad swath of modern students -- folks from all levels in life who want clarity of thought, emotional balance and physical health as a predicate to effective action. Imagine facing opportunities and challenges, with your full set of skills and resources at your command. Now, imagine further that the reason you're rested, relaxed and ready is that you've trained to be that. Now. Imagine that your whole life works this way!

Coming from me, you can expect lots of hypnotic conditioning combined with my signature take-home easy to understand/hard to do exercises. The Goal is to become the sort of person who, when encountering opportunity, is in the moment and perfectly placed to take advantage of it. At that point, the exercise of influence becomes absurdly simple. Even the one-eyed man can be King amongst the Blind.

Zed: I'll note also that Major Mark's seminars are listed, and one can register for them, at store.yahoo.com/trucor/

Ross: > MB: He said "Mark, I give them attention and then take it away. I tease them by letting them know how they get to me and then I shift the topic of conversation to something else. I am loose and relaxed and try to be funny, not in terms of telling jokes but in terms of how I overblow things that I see. This way I give them a huge but very short dose of what they do to me and then stop and I have them begging for more." Then I asked him to give me an example of what he may say to a babe. "Well, I'll see one and tell her 'Oh my God, you know the instant you walked in here you just took my breath away and made me glad that I was a man. I feel like there is something magical about the way you carry yourself that makes me admire you as a woman" then I quickly shift the conversation to something else.

Ross: In other words, he FRACTIONATES them, just as I teach my students to do.

Ross: Ross reviews the "Kenxtions" system ( www.kenxtions.com/ ) On a 5 star scale, 1 and 1/2 stars

Ok, let's give the dog its due; some of the openers on one of the cd's in this "system" are pretty good. And some of the guy's "encouragement" on why you should get out there and meet people is useful. And he's got ONE really good comeback for the old "Give me YOUR number" routine. But I have to say, most of what this guy is advising, throughout the " PUA " process is CREATIVE (and at times, ANNOYING) BEGGING. He actually advises you to say things like, "C'mon...give me a shot. I'm sure we'll have a great time." As for handling women on the phone, brrrrrr. It's scary, some of what he advises. For example, he actually tells you to say, "I'd like to take you out. What's your schedule like this week?" Not to strongly suggest a day/place/time, but TO ASK HER WHAT HER SCHEDULE IS! Translating this from the AFC 'ese, what you'd be saying is, "Oh darling ray of sunshine. I have NO PLANS MYSELF, THIS WEEK. You are the only chick on my horizon, and I am completely open, WHENEVER YOU ARE." Then, if she says she is busy
this week, you are told to ask, "Well..how does NEXT week look?" There are so many reasons why this is dumb advice, I scarcely know where to begin. Not the least of which is, you are broadcasting total availability. We all know how attractive ladies find THAT in a guy. And the tonality on the phone examples..holy Jesus and Mary, it is beyond AFC . The actual good stuff could have been reduced to a 5 minute audio-cassette..I would have paid 5 bucks. Save your money and save your time.

Clifford: For another view on this, here is a review by Poetdude: Poetdude: I listened to the KenXtions tape series some time ago, and found them to be an excellent value and very useful to the newbie and also useful to more advanced practitioners of the art. Of the 5 tapes (and bonus videotape) that is in the series, I found the first tape (the icebreaker/approach phase) and the videotape to be most useful (they covered mostly the same ground). The first tape basically gives you a dirt-simple structure to follow in a pickup, emphasizing humor and non-threatening questions as openers and then giving you the next three steps leading to a simple phone or meeting close. What I like a lot about it is that it reduces the approach and close to something so basic that you just *know* any old idiot can pull it off. In fact, in the videotape, there is footage of our hero Kenny (the author) approaching a number of fine nubile things and getting digits from them. This is good, because y
ou take one look at Kenny, listen to his nasal, decidedly non-Pavarotti voice and his semi-corny lines, and realize, "If this dweebius can do it, *anyone* can." And you are correct. My personal take on the effectiveness of his method is that it's so airily benign and non-threatening that the women cannot muster any resistance against it -- you can push back against a wall, but you can't really push against air, y'know? So, simple formula: funny or observational opener ('what kinda sandwich is that?'), one non-personal question ('do you like it?'), one personal question ('how long have you lived here?'), and the closing formula ('Gotta go, but -- if you're comfortable, we should exchange numbers; we'll go out sometime.') Ludicrously simple, simply effective. Of course, the method's strength is also its weakness: a light close like this is less likely to induce heavy follow-through by the woman. However, with this structure in your head, you will be approaching so many more women that your confidence will go wa
y up, you will have more overall dates, and you'll be able to ditch the training wheels after a while to try out freakier shit. Besides, it's great for street walk-ups or other times when you simply have only 45 seconds. Now the rest of the tapes in the series are a little too gimmicky for my style, but still have some excellent pointers about basic human behavior. In the meantime, the first tape and video alone are worth the $25 or so price of admission.

Clifford: The website seems to show the price is now $59.95 + $5.95 shipping & handling.

Jake (www.SeduceAnyGirl.com): There was some talk going on before, about someone creating a video product, with actual street pick ups. Has this happened?

Clifford: I am not sure who you are referring to but I can't think of anyone who did this. One of the problems with this is getting releases from the women to sell their images on tape. Kamal and did two tapes called Magical Connections (available through Straightforward http://www.speed-seduction.com (site is either inactive or no longer relevant) ) where they did this but they were indirect (approaches were for a research study supposedly and they didn't go up to the girls and tell them what they were really after). I hear there's a whole genre of porn (I think called gonzo) where guys approach women with hand held cams and get them to have sex on film - or something like that. But I don't know any more (just saw it on tv last night).

NightLight9: >DB: Anyway, one player who is 35 and worth over 10 million asked her out. She was talking to her friends about accepting, but she seemed doubtful. She said the guy wasn't that bright and had little to say, and she did not find him really appealing. I found her attitude refreshing, but I knew this is not the norm. Occasionally, these arrogant NFL guys will come and visit (at least they used to) go to the bars, take any woman that presented themselves off to the bathroom for quickie. When push comes to shove, many will fuck fame.

NightLight9: How do you know what the norm is? Most women won't just fuck a pro ball player just to do it. There are women who will, but more often than not, these guys display other attractive traits. Guys are treating them like gods ( social proof , alphamale-ness. They are in great physical shape (and often good looking in general). That said they still have to work for it in many cases. I was out with a girl once and A-Rod (makes more than 10 mil a year, is good looking and is well spoken) tried to pick her up. Her response: "he has dumbo ears." I've seen this type of response plenty. It only takes one hot girl to make it look like the sport star had his choice, right? I'm not arguing that fame, fortune and good looks are ignored. Some of the girls that want those things are hot AND are aggressive about getting it. But look at all the out of work construction workers being supported by their hot girlfriends while they sit around developing their beer bellies. Man, those out of work construction workers ha
ve it so easy. The point is, stop being a whiner and go fuck some hot chicks. Either that or start practicing your jumper.

Hypno Bill: If you have any advice on running a seduction list, please share it with me. If you want to check it out go to. groups.yahoo.com/group/TheArt/

DB: >Christos: Good writing combined with very useful techniques. I also like the Bluffer's Guide to Fortune Telling book but I am not sure that it is still in print. I like to use the following lines to loosen girls up in this kind of scenario: You are going to have a new experience You need to be more adventurous I see a missed opportunity, try something while you have the chance, otherwise you may not have a similar opportunity You have a lot of tension and you need a release You will live to a very old age but you will have lots of serious illnesses in later life Of course, I always leave them wanting a little more and then drop in that I have a tarot deck at home if she is really interested. I got laid a lot thanks to Rider Waite."

DB: Who is Rider Waite? >Joseph: Four essential types of men tend to attract women 1) The Daring Adventurer: He's the man who acts impulsively, throws caution in reckless abandon in order to spontaneously embark on high-stimulation endeavors. He lives for the moment and holds a vague inkling of the future. The man's focus is solely for the present and on sheer short-term emotional pleasure. 2) The Dark Vagabond: He's the man who oozes an almost anti-social character. With leanings towards the unethical to the downright immoral, this man is known for womanizing, substance abuse and most activities that appear to go against social norm. Despite the negativity he attracts both the sensible and "dumb" blonde kind of girl. Women fantasize about taming such volatile creatures. 3) The Ideal Lover: Oh yeah, we recognize him for the poetry, the smooth lines, the sensitivity, the utter empathy and almost selfless focus upon the woman. He manifests a level of high morality, or at least a superficial appearance of it. Wo
men love this man because of the intense romancing they experience from him. 4) The Clown: He may not physically look good, but his upbeat sense of humor and lively optimism sparks enthusiasm in women which then lead to infatuation, then attraction. This man, as I've observed in numerous social gatherings, tends to enjoy the limelight. He cracks jokes, spins incredible tales and makes everyone feel good. As a result, both genders in general gravitate towards this individual. The Man every woman hates: 1) The Vanilla-Boy Next Door: Predictable, routine and devoid of imagination. He possesses adequate social skills but is neither aggressive, funny, spontaneous"

DB: This is so true it's scary. every PU I know fits into one of these types. Although I do not know how you would classify a SSer...Most PU 's I know of are Dark Vagabonds or Clowns....

DB: To RJ or anyone else who is good at insults: This is a tad off the seduction subject, (this could apply to cockblocks , husbands, borefriends, etc. however) but does anyone have any sharp insults that I could use on MEN? I have some insults that I have for gals, but I need something for men. Something that would work in PU situations or anywhere else where someone pisses me off. Also how do you deal with husbands and bfs ? Sometimes I just talk to women to test things out. They usually look at me interestingly and trancelike because I am an in-depth person. This usually scares the shit out of their partners, so they always come up to me and shake my hand and introduce themselves just to let me know they are watching my every move. You think just because they are married to the wife they somehow own them. Fuckers!

DROP YOUR PATTERNS, FORGET YOUR BALLBUSTING NO MORE MAGIC TRICKS! This PU technique is beyond EINSTEIN: I know this PU (he looks like a male version of Ms. Hathaway from the Beverly Hillbillies) who has success with the gals. He is a wild and crazy guy, dances like a bizerko and is funny (a recipe for PU success). His gimmick is this.....HE GIVES PIGGY BACK RIDES!! At first I thought it was goofy and supplicating, but then it dawned on me, it does three important things. : 1. It age regresses the woman back to being a little girl. 2. It shows he is a fun, adventurous guy who is confident and importantly UNINHIBITED 3. While he is giving the ride, her vagina is rubbing up and down, back and forth on the boney spine of this son-of-a-bitch. It's kino and anchoring rolled into one. Plus in German literature, a horse is a symbol of strong sexuality for all you brainy well read types. I could see Mystery with a long black cape on prancing around a club with a HB on his back... Only problem is that
it won't go over too well at a Barnes and Noble.....

Toecutter: > Now this is probably going to give me a lot more work, but Toecutter commented that he had wanted to say something about a post he read but by the time he read it, it was already a few weeks old and he figured that the conversations had moved on. Well, in my opinion, these conversations are timeless. What would be GREATLY appreciated would be, if you want to make a comment (no matter from whichever email it came from) to just follow the format below. That is, copy the comment you want to comment on and put the person's name in front of that comment, then make your comment.

Toecutter: Cliff, with a special invitation like that how can I not contribute? I had a lot to say about Mark B. I include what I was thinking anyway despite the fact that the conversation has moved on since you give me special permission. I prepared this before I fully read Marks response saying he has changed his mind about complements. Perhaps some of my ideas and reactions are useful to some people anyway: > MB: Me "I think you are stunning. You have great genetic lines and a great structure" Her "Thank you that is so sweet" Me "You know I bet a lot of guys come after you" Her "Sometimes they do" Me "Have you always been this attractive or is this something to took time to develop?" Her "I am not sure. I just bloomed this way" Me "I am sure that if you entered a beauty contest you would win. Have you ever considered?"

Toecutter: Man, this girl is not actually that hot is she? You sound like you are worshipping her for her beauty. I mean, is she hot? I can see this on like a 7. Compliments are really bad on hot girls. Here is a question: How would you feel if a girl you just met started talking like that to you? Would you feel it is sincere? Would you feel she is a comfortable person with HSE (high self esteem)? Or would you consider her a fan? Would you consider her beneath you? I mean, you know that self conscious feeling when you are being flattered? Like the feeling when everyone is singing "Happy Birthday" for you and they are all looking at you celebrating your birth. What do you do in that situation? Do you sing along? See if this girl is hot, then she gets put into that flattery situation all the time, and the feeling has bad associations linked to it. Like AFC 's who put her on a pedestal. It is okay for girls who don't often get complimented, but give me a break. That is not just a conversation about her beauty! A
s if it is a natural thing. Man it sounds so false. This conversation sends shivers down my spine at how bad it is. But apparently it works for you. It does not fit with my world and my 9 and 9.5 ex's whom obviously I know very well. This is not the sort of conversation they enjoy. They come to me and complain about the idiot over there who couldn't get over her beauty and completely weirded her out. And beyond that, it is just uncool. >MB: Question what sort of attention? I bet no AFC has told her she looks hot and he wants her hoping that when he is friendly enough so she makes the first move. Can you say masturbate? I have boned beauty pageant winners, exotic feature strippers, former magazine models, fitness instructors and actresses all with the same technique of being very upfront

Toecutter: Question: you must work very hard at your F(ind) variable. How do you find these women? >MB: and direct. I do make a point to let her know her degree of attractiveness is high but I also talk to her like a normal woman. I ask her about her job, her interests, her values, hobbies, etc. and have a normal everyday type of conversation. The key is relationship with emphasis on the "relation" part rather than "subservientship" or "underminemyselfship". She is important to me as a woman which includes her pussy as well as the rest of her.

Toecutter: OK, so you talk about her as a person and the boring things about her, like her job, etc.? And her hobbies. And then you tell her she is attractive. And you let her know that you want to get to know her as a woman? I have no reason to doubt you here, but it sounds AFC to me. Why is that interesting to her? Why is she speaking back to you? How are you causing her to become attracted to you? How is any of that any different to what the AFC 's do? I don't get it, but would like to understand. See because this actually seems contradictory to me. The question Fourier asked that your above response was to was, "But what if you want to nail the girl behind the bar who gets attention from ALL THE GUYS ALL THE TIME?" in which case here is the sort of answer I might expect: Make friends with the male bartender, then neg her ... the male bartender laughing with you at her. The two of you are now higher than her, and she will want to get on top since she is queen of the club and has AFC 's drooling over her al
l night. Find out from the male bartender which after hours club they all go to, if any, just so that you are forewarned, and then work her club. Social proof all the way. Bargirls have ears so bring a cutey to the bar, and work her right in front of the bargirl while continuing to give the bargirl a light ribbing to the social proof girl. Number close her (the social proof girl) and save for later. Now you have prepared the bargirl. You can then run some quick routines on her if the bar is not super busy, get your IOI's quickly and then time constrain number close. Note that for a bargirl, you need to do a more direct close because she can always say "Well, I am here every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night from 9 to 3 pm. We can continue the conversation here." So the close needs to be a closed ended close that does not let her pull that option. Like after a little yes ladder, "So it is reasonable if we go ahead and swap numbers, right?" But you had better work fast because these numbers go stale QUICK. So
call her the next day. But instead you talk about normal boring everyday conversation that she, as a bar maid, has with EVERY SINGLE DRUNK AFC in the place. They tell her how hot she is, too. So I think the question was an excellent one. Because we KNOW that girl is surrounded by AFC 's tipping her, and buying her shooters, and coming back to the bar alone especially to see her, and sitting there to closing time after all their friends have gone home in an attempt to pull her ... the AFC 's who have no courage to approach, but the girl behind the bar, hey, that is a different story. So she is the ultimate hot girl as a litmus test for your modus operandi and those beautiful girls you say you get. See your technique, as far as I can see would DEFINITELY NOT work on these girls. Explain how it would work please. > NightLight9: I'd like to watch you work. I can't do what you described because when I do, women say no. Maybe it's my looks, maybe it's...

Toecutter: Hey, man. The first rule of being good-looking is your self talk. You can not say what you have said above to yourself. Never. Never question your looks or your attractiveness to the opposite sex. Never. That is modelling a good looking guy. I will tell you what: I hereby dub you all good looking. You are all good looking and will be for ever after. All of you! Now go out there and work your charms with the ladies. No more asking them if you are good looking, no more asking them if you are their physical type. You assume you are because you know that you are fucking hot! Now dress well to show off your charms. Dress in the clothes that make you even better looking. And guess what? You will never get complimented on your looks. Only by your mothers and girl-friends. And you can't believe them anyway, right? The best looking guy in the world doesn't get complimented. So everyone (yes, Ross included), just consider for a second that maybe all this time you were actually good looking and you didn't kno
w it. Because you didn't believe your mother, and you didn't believe your girlfriends. I didn't always know I was good looking. I don't know whether you would consider me good-looking. I discovered I was good-looking, and it is a personal discovery ... it is all in the self-talk. No girl can explain it to you. You have to discover it. I don't put myself on am-I-hot-or-not.com, and I ask for no feedback. Because I know I am. The only feedback I get other than from girlfriends is once every 6 months or so I'll get a "oh, but that is because you are good looking" and that is usually from some little LSE guy with a chip on his shoulder who probably says it to everybody. You certainly do not get up in front of an audience full of people ask a girl 'Now, would I usually be your type physically?' ... what is she supposed to say? "Yeah, you're hot! I really want to fuck you!" Sorry, fellas, no-body gets that. My looks may be to a girls taste, or I may not. She may be into black guys or she may be into blonde guys or
she may be into pretty boys. I don't ask her. But you are attractive. You are desirable. And these things you actually test with the opposite sex. And I can tell you that they do find me desirable because they fuck me. You guys are picking up, too. What more proof do you need? Girls fuck you because you are attractive men. (That said, I can not rely on my looks to get women. No one can. If I do not approach, and if I do not perform well and I do not close properly, I do not PU . And before you start discounting my opinion on picking up because I consider myself good looking. STOP. There is no perfume called "sure fuck". There is no magic pill, and I can not skip steps. The fact you tell me I can tells me that in YOUR ATTITUDE you are an ugly man. And that changes the texture of the exchange between you and a woman. Until you are an attractive man in your mind, you can not judge me). > NightLight9: The reality is that women's opinion on looks changes as they interact with you. So being OK looking is plenty if
you can open well and attract.

Toecutter: I agree with you completely here. What is a good-looking male anyway? Clear skin? Sparkling eyes? Straight teeth? Symmetrical face? Well dressed? Healthy? That is like 90% of the male population, isn't it? Including all my good-looking readers here. Women consider Bill Clinton good looking! I mean what are these people really talking about when they talk good-looks? Have you seen some of the skinny, FUNNY LOOKING guys they use as models in like Vogue, Homme, and GQ? Funny looking! Some of them look like the heroin addict I saw passed out in a public toilet today. I don't know what good looks in a guy mean. Every guy is potentially good-looking in my books. They just don't know how. >NL9 continues: Anyway, I # closed an ex-model the other night who has been talking to me on phone regularly (she's a little f-ed up so I'm keeping my distance sarge wise). She said she thought I was insecure about my looks (which I didn't think was true, but that kind of think is hard to say for sure), regardless, it do
esn't matter if I am or not. I gave out the vibe that I was.

Toecutter: To me it sounds like a shit test, more than anything. A neg . I think a shit test come back was what was called for. Punish her for it. First laugh at it, then tell her that was a weird thing to say. Ask her if her parents taught her any manners. Ask her if she thinks she is weird. Say "you are not very good around people, are you?" > NL9: So the question is, how do you model being a (cool) good looking guy (who has been one for a while)? I know much of our general PUA theory is actually fairly similar to a model of this. Qualify her, assume the sale, etc. However, what about how good looking guys really think about themselves?

Toecutter: I think maybe cool and good-looking are similes in a guy. I didn't always consider myself good looking, but I had little question in my mind that I was cool. I always was. So what does it mean to be cool? It is not what you wear but the way you wear it. It is not being intimidated by anyone at all in any situation. It is about meeting other cool people and looking them in the eye, and they know that you are cool, too, because you are not scared and they can tell. And you know they are cool because they are not intimidated by YOU. Those intimidated by you have this look in their eye like you are about to lay judgement on them. Cool people don't have that look. It is about being comfortable with what you wear. It is about being comfortable with who you are. It is about not getting overly excited at stupid things in a conversation. It is about knowing what topics of conversation are interesting (cool) and what are not. It is about seeing when people are tuning out and changing the topic to something t
hat everyone is interested in. It is about knowing how to take a risk socially, and doing it with confidence and style. It is about having a certain fluidity and confidence in the way you move and talk. It is about saying something outrageous because it is outrageous, not because you are socially inept. I think NightLight9 is already cool. I think this girl gave him a shit test. >NL9 continues: Being a good looking guy must have a whole set of similar problems and pitfalls.

Toecutter: One thing that a super smooth guy (good looking?) will cause in a woman is that very same anticipatory anxiety that we feel when approaching an attractive woman. They are uncomfortable. They start looking over their shoulders to run to a more comfortable conversation with a less intimidating conversational partner. So the opener and first couple of minutes can be harder. Same as the other way around (like the opener is harder for me with a beautiful woman because I am in a STATE that I have to squash and treat her like she nothing). So a good looking guy has to work harder to make the girl comfortable with him. Another thing is, he can over qualify himself. Sounds silly, I know, but if you are too smooth and you intimidate her, she asks herself "Why me? Why me instead of any of these other girls?" So it is a self esteem issue on their part. Of course this is not a problem with the HSE girls who are your good targets anyway. >NL9 One thing's for sure: good looking guys don't think about being good l
ooking. They think about getting what they want. They know how they look is a feature of the terrain involved. You might want to start incorporating this into your model of the world since you are a good looking guy.

Toecutter: Again, change good-looking to cool. And yes, cool guys do think a little about what would be cool and what would be uncool. Especially when shopping for clothes. They go "wow, look at this cool shirt". Or in a social situation. But one thing is for sure: someone cool never doubts that they are cool. Not for a moment. It is stitched into their fibre. They are not "try hards". They do not try hard at anything. Everything seems effortless. I think it is that effortlessness cool is what you want to model. > NightLight9: I think you may be onto something. I'm beginning to piece this (Mark's MO) together I think, and I also think I'm beginning to see how it works. There is the Woody Allen AFC way most guys compliment a woman. It's like they dropped a bomb and now they are waiting for it explode. "You are soooo beautiful." Sincerest puppy dog look. This does not work (until you are in a relationship with them, even then I'm not sure how effective it is). Mark is not doing this, I don't believe. His compli
ment is almost a challenge (not an overt or intentional one). He doesn't sit there and gage the reaction to see how she's taking it and to see if it "worked". He just continues with his conversation like it was normal for him to say this (not like he says it everyday, but like it wasn't some event).

Toecutter: I think 2 concepts need to be separated: NEEDINESS from DESIRE. Women prefer men who don't need them. What NightLight9 describes above is compliments that come from a place of NEED. You are allowed to show desire if it has absolutely no neediness component to it. The best of MB's compliments are pure desire with no neediness. That is the key. (At the same time, I don't compliment and think it is not a good way forward).

Kit: Michael Tyson, maniac, nice guy

Proving the nice guy image deal once again...(who gets kissed?) The news conference began when Tyson, wearing all black, including a leather hat, was introduced first. He strode on stage at the Hudson Theater and then stared in the direction of where Lewis was supposed to appear. When the champion walked out, Tyson quickly walked toward him. A Lewis bodyguard pushed Tyson and then touched him again. Tyson threw a left hook and a Lewis bodyguard went down, although it wasn't clear if Tyson connected. Lewis threw an overhand right that apparently glanced off the top of Tyson's head and left a cut at his hairline. The two fighters then rolled briefly on the stage, which suddenly was filled with jumping, falling bodies and flying fists. Lewis promoter Gary Shaw said he was also hit several times. WBC president Jose Sulaiman was knocked unconscious in the fight when he hit his head on a table. He was treated at a hospital for a concussion before being released. ``Today's events are but one of the very many instanc
es that have recently taken place that degrade boxing,'' Sulaiman said. ``It would be discriminatory to single out Mike Tyson because many other boxers have behaved similarly at other press conferences.'' After things quieted down, Tyson walked to the front of the stage, and thrust his arms in the air in triumph, then grabbed his crotch. Someone shouted, ``Put him in a straitjacket.'' Tyson then gestured at the man and cursed him. Tyson left the theater without answering questions. Instead, he strolled around the block and stopped to sign autographs. A few women kissed him.

Kit: Ha

Mark B.: Two sites for using scarcity and other psychological techniques in persuasion......... www.qontent.com/questware/questions.cfm?segment=1213 www.qontent.com/questware/segment.cfm?segment=1203&question_id=4044&from_segment=1213

Thanks to all those who commented on my little scenario with the makeup counter girl. I have not yet been back there but will make the track sometime soon and take another round at it and of course let you all know what happens. Regarding my failed miscue on Friday night and Saturday morning, I adjusted my technique with the same HB and banged her silly on Sunday evening into the morning. No problems this time around as I focused on comments on how I felt about her beauty, her fucking ability and other qualities and what they did to me rather than just making general comments on her looks, etc. She took exceptionally well to those and I did not even have to ask her to get naked - she just did after I said "when I look at you I feel incredible desire to make love to you, you turn me on like you would not believe" - and off went her clothes. (insert huge sigh of relief here). Regarding my little sister, she is now in a full blown relationship with her new guy and she could not be happier. She says that he tota
lly fulfills her as a woman and she has never felt more happy and more feminine in her life. He takes charge and totally satisfies her sexually. In fact, when I saw her a few weeks after she began sleeping with him she looked different - more womanly, older and more refined, more calm and poised and confident. I guess that all those new orgasmic hormones she is releasing are doing her well. She says that for the first time in her life she feels wanted, appreciated, and fulfilled. She said this guy allows her to be open sexually by talking dirty to her, phone sex, mutual masturbation, provocative dressing as well as allowing her to be totally open in the bedroom. I am so happy for her. She has studied psychology at the University of Toronto so I decided to ask her more about the scarcity principle. I asked her why it seems to be better to frame what you want in terms of loss prevention rather than opportunity for gain. From her psychology background she said, "Mark when you describe a gain people automatically
tend to associate all sorts of negative consequences with taking that gain and may be reluctant to take advantage of it. Even if you attack those consequences they may still not want to take advantage of your gain. But when you frame what you want in terms of loss prevention, there is less negative connotation associated with what you suggest as the person is not focusing on the possible drawbacks. And by focusing on the possible drawbacks, you are much more likely to motivate the person to act as they do not want to lose what they could already have". So the key here seems to be to focus on what they already have or what they could have and then on the possible loss of that and then positioning yourself as the one that could prevent that loss. I thought what if I was to think that whichever HB I see that I could already be boning her but I will never find out if I do not approach her - seems more motivating than imagining myself going up to her and getting her number and also the terrible consequences of get
ting shot down. Or the next one I go up to, I could already be boning her and if I do not approach her I never find out or something like that....Same with HB 's. We could suggest to them that they could have a great time with us and if they do not go forth they could lose out and so on. I will try this out in the field and report the results.

This morning on the radio coming into the office I heard the Toronto police are searching for a man who has been randomly kissing strangers, both men and women on the street. He is described as well dressed, he strikes up a conversation with people, offers to shake their hand and then once he has a grip on their hand he pulls them close and kisses them. People have complained as a result of the unwanted act and police are looking to arrest him for public misconduct. If anyone has any information on the whereabouts of this man they are advised to call police. Do you think that perhaps someone on our list has taken then idea of the kiss close a little too far?

MindAuger: > NEEDHELPBAD: I'm a young guy but I've been having the disastrous "erectile disfunction" problem quite often for some time. Is there anyone who has experienced this problem before? Right now I use Viagra but I don't want to get stuck using it for the rest of my life. I've been to psychotherapy (I'm quite confident that this is psychogenic and not physiological) before but it wasn't useful (probably specific therapist related) and I really feel stuck (and actually quite desperate for a solution). I would really appreciate help with this.

MindAuger: Okay, first of all I don't think this is psychogenic. The very first thing you have to do is understand DOCTORS MAKE MISTAKES. The main reason I say that is because apparently Viagra works for you, and it is NOT supposed to work with psychogenic ED. I've read that 85% of ED problems are related to DIET. That was the case with me about four years ago. I went to the doctor and he said it would take at least nine months of therapy to get over the problem. I said "fuck that!" and went on the net to research ED. What I found was that there are a LOT of vitamins, nutrients, and amino acids that have to ALL be in place for an erection to work. If your diet is missing any of them, you could be in trouble. My problem was I was deficient in tyrosine, a precursor to dopamine, a neurotransmitter responsible for pleasure. Once I added this (as a supplement) to my diet, problem solved! In fact, I started taking supplements of all the required components, including choline/pantothenic acid (for essential acetylch
oline), folic acid, calcium/magnesium, tyrosine, b-complex. Plus also some extras like ginkgo biloba, ginseng, and DHEA. Finally I added Jumex/Deprenyl (a prescription drug, actually, that clinically extended life of rats by 40%) and GHB. The final result of all this is that I went from erectile disfunction to being hornier than I'd ever been in my life, with a capacity for sex that was about 5x what I had before. Perhaps the point is, don't take doctors at their word. Remember, my doc said it would take 9 months of therapy to overcome my ED. If I'd taken his advice, I would never have discovered the truth. If you take it to heart that is it NOT psychogenic (and believing it is MAKES it psychogenic, even if it's not!) then you're as good as cured. I was in the exact same place as you, doctor told me the same thing... and simply because I realized that 85% of ED is diet related, I figured "I'm part of that 85%!!!!!" and solved it. And how! Now it's your turn.

SilentK: I have recently decided to give up any intention or efforts to meet/attract women, period. I totally admire you guys doing this stuff, and wish you all the success you desire. For myself, I feel like the best thing for me is to just feel good about myself -- even thinking about this area feels like a pain, and I'd rather not do it. I want to leave you with one thing though--I still have this belief (Sisonyph touched on it) that you can have anything you want in your life. I also believe that the way to do so (or one way, at least) is through changing your energy and emotions and beliefs. And the BEST WAY I have come across, in three years of studying this stuff, and spending thousands of dollars, trying NLP , hypnosis, etc., is EFT-- www.emofree.com . I learned about it through this list, and I am so happy I did. You can use it to "tap away" the negative beliefs and "tap in" the positive ones. I know some people love hypnosis, but I always felt like I was battling myself when I did self-hypnosis, and
EFT feels like the most awesome relief, totally natural. But don't believe me, I haven't touched a girl in almost two years! A successful bro Albert recommended it, and you can read the awesome fucking case study at emofree.com/cases/selfimag.htm or just look around the website for yourself. It is totally free, and you can try it out on a simple, small issue, and see how it works for you. As I am getting happier in my life, I want to allow others a chance to have what they want. I wish you the best. Personally, I will continue tapping on "I choose to do what feels good for me" and "I choose to follow my own guidance" and am enjoying it. Thanks to all you inspiring folks, and I am especially glad to have talked to David and Steve Piccus--different guys who laid lots of women and had an interesting commonality--they follow their own guidance, and they enjoy being themselves. Oh, and Nightlight9--I love your stuff, but what I REALLY want to know is what you think your bro's (Zen Slacker) key attitudes/mindset is
. Guru master, I love how you are enjoying yourself so much! And Cliff, I want to hear about your divorced friend, who just has a good time, and is outgoing, and meets all the women--what is his mindset/attitude do you think? Maybe one day I will have success with women, but I am certainly not willing to feel bad to do so! Success and good times to you.

Clifford: My friend's mindset is to just have fun all the time (but he is serious when he has to be). Remember, he's 50 years old, been married twice (10 years the first time, 12 the second) and has a lot of experience under his belt. He also follows the rule "who cares what they think" and just goes out to enjoy himself. And as for you, I just think you probably put a lot of pressure on yourself and just need a break. Cause I am sure you aren't giving up on women altogether... One thing I always keep in mind when I see or read about people who are more successful than I am (in anything) is that there is always better and there is always worse. If you look around you, you are sure to see people in much worse situations, not only those that are in better situations. That is not to say that you don't keep working on improving and going for your goals, but don't let where you are at the moment upset you.