FR: What to do when her angry husband calls
Cliff asked me to write this. who can say no to him :-)
This post is the natural companion to my previous report. Sex with married women. As surely as night follows day. If you play regularly in this space you will get caught once in a while by the angry husband. Life becomes a whole lot less fun at this point, and is down right scary at times.
First a quick recap (better yet read the report), I am in a platonic relationship for the sake of my children and sick wife, so some fun on the side with a like minded lady is all good in fact it is awesome.
Second some serious caveats. Each woman and angry husband will be different. There are no set
rules for this stuff. Its totally situational. I will tell you what has worked for me. But use your common sense, trust your gut and avoid confrontations whenever they may arise.
Third I want to make this crystal clear. I have had death threats at work from people who allegedly could follow through. Is that visceral enough for you.
I will do this as the situation and then give you what I think are ground rules to follow if you can.
My first sex only GF
contacted me through Ashley Madison. She picked me. Her relationship had been in a mess for several years. Overweight, alcoholic, dope smoking husband, needed medication to have sex. Control freak who wouldnt let her have any friends. She had had several affairs and been found out once before. I found all this out during the relationship (not my usual type of lady). Lets call her A. A fell hard for me and took notes of what we did. A likes erotic literature and writes it very passably. We did new and exciting things for her and she found she is one of those rare women who can have an anal orgasm. She went wild for it and I taught her lots of other stuff. Normally I wouldnt give specifics but her husband hated intensely that I got her arse and he never had.
Anyway lets cut to the chase. A stopped sleeping with hubby. Hubby smells a rat and goes through her things. Hubby finds her notes and copies of texts she had saved that talk about her new skills. Hubby gets very angry then he hits pay dirt. He found my business card. Like a fool I had given it to her. (I am an idiot!!) A warned me that hubby had found out and she had told him it was all over and there was no way she was giving me up. Hubby takes a day and then writes to me at my work email! Trust me this is enoromously confronting. He knows where I work, my name, where I live, everything. But good news. All he wants is for me to stop seeing her otherwise he will kill me!
What did I do? Firstly, I rang A then sent her the email so we both had the same info. Then I asked her really whats he like, is he violent? Could he do this? What does he really know and what has she told him about me. Bad news, he is violent, he is not likely to do it himself but he is a drug dealer (just dope on the side) and has a few tough friends. Ummm this was not good. She hadnt told him much about me. But when I wrote back I wanted to make sure I was consistent with what he knew and didnt give him any more information. Next I spoke to a friend who is a psychologist, useful friend at times like this. I told him the truth and said what do I do? He said validate him, deflect him and give him what he wants and he should go away.
So I sent him this note about 3 hours after I got his.
"M sorry for your pain. I was approached on an internet site. I am a symptom not a cause of your issues. You need to talk to A. Best of luck I wont be seeing her anymore." I sent this note from a private email. No way I wanted to acknowledge his note and reply to it on my work email. That would be crazy.
I sent A a copy of this note and waited. Short story is after lots of pain she left him and is still going through the financial part of the break up. I still see her, I am sentimental and she still orgasms that special way, which is super hot. She is very energetic! She knows it is just fun for me, but still hopes to change my mind, which is not going to happen.
M contacted me (on the private email about two months later), warning me to stay away from her or else!. Again I asked her what he could know? She said nothing. She never talks about me and no one knows she is still seeing me. Its just that M said she could see anyone but him (me). Again with the "I got her arse" thing. So I consulted my psychologist friend again. He said this time go back hard and tell him to leave you alone. So I sent this to him.
"Why are you bothering me again? I admitted it when you wrote to me last time. I havent seen her since. Leave me alone." I havent heard from him again.
So what rules have I learned from this.
1. Never give her your business card. I will spend some time on this. It is really, never give up your identity. Of course like all good intentions this one is impossible to keep. Better stated as, pick ones that are discreet and only tell them who you are if you absolutely have to. But never give them your business card. Again there are times when you have to, or you lose her. The choice is yours, the girl or your identity. Tough choice. I resolved never to give my card out again. Then I met Steph, CEO of a consulting company, body of a porn star and looks of model. She gave me her card, told me I was the one she had been looking for and then asked for my card. Ummm I gave it to her. Naturally, like all dreams come true, she has cold feet at the moment and is currently having second thoughts on stepping out on hubby. Rome wasnt built in a day and I will break down this wall, all it requires is patience, commitment to the cause and charm.
2. When caught, validate his pain, deflect him (you really are only a symptom) exit the relationship, and wish him good luck. But you didnt exit the relationship I hear you say. True, but I would given the chance over again. Its not worth the risk. All my GF
s know they cant be my GF
unless they give me my favourite. Its never been a problem, if a woman wants you she will give you what you want sexually. Also, all girls do something that little bit better than other women. Again a bit of a digression. I have been in this awkward circumstance for nearly 20 years. I had paid for a lot of sex (hundreds and hundreds of women). In the last five years I have been able to afford whatever I want. Pornstars, actresses you name the type, I have indulged myself. I have found pornstars and actresses quite a disappointment, the more you pay for sex the more disappointing it can be at times. Another thread for another time. I will tell you this though the average quality of sex in an affair is mindblowingly incredible. The average quality of sex from random hookups and paid sex is well, average. When a woman commits to an affair she gives you everything she has. Normally she has been neglected and when the dam breaks its like Krakatoa erupting (famous volcanic eruption, look it up) every time!
3. If your GF
somehow finds out about another GF
. (Trust me they are incredibly possessive and watch you like a hawk for any signs, lets face it you are having an affair, you have form!). Deny it and cover up, then blame her for being possessive and nosy and say you have to end it with her if she cant trust you. It has worked for me. If they are submissive before this you aint seen nothing yet. Dont let it go to your head though. Be a gentleman and be very very careful. After all you could lose two hard won GF
s.
Have fun, be careful and remember be a gentleman. :-)
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7 comments
Affairs
It seems to me that there is ample evidence out there that being completely honest from the beginning with a woman is the proper solution to having multiple girlfriends. The difficult part is standing your ground because they are usually relentless in trying to shift the dynamic of your relationship to one of what she thinks she wants which is monogamy. The truth of the matter is that women are all attracted to the popular guy, the guy other women want. If you are a powerful man to start with, they undoubtedly believe you have other women when they first meet you. As such, that is what they were attracted to and now they go and try and change that - you can go along with it (or lie to them, as you suggest) but you will never be completely at ease having to live with deceit. I think a better approach is "sharing is caring" and get her to join you.
I found your comments about the passion of affairs intriguing, particularly compared to your other experiences. Thanks for writing this, and I'd definitely like to read part three.
Cool
On reflection I am sure you are right. The most possessive one has said more than once, "I dont care that you have others, I just want to be your No 1!". Also, without going into detail about the nice things they say to me, it would appear they have the mindset you have outlined, except that incredibly, even the really hot looking ones seem to just be happy to be in my company and believe they are way lucky to have just that. I have many years of looking in from the outside to keep me grounded, but I have learned so much even from the first report. The real game changer for me was that I now have two women coaching me on what the other girl is thinking when she writes to me and what I should write in return. They both just care that I am happy and are thrilled to help me. Once I meet a woman face to face its all over, but, without knowing it I was too pushy at times in writing before, now I pace them well and get to meet them all. I mainly fly solo in emails now and only refer to my friends with a tricky situation.
What did you have in mind for the topic for part 3?
Lastly, the very best sex workers I have been friends with were more technically skilled. However, 100% of my affairs have been mindblowing and massively more fulfilling on so many levels. They are trying so hard to please you their little hearts are bursting at every moment and because I am a giver (really) the fact they get so much out of it makes it waaaay better for me.
If you could refer me to an article on how to end it and stay friends, (that is minimum mess and complications that would be helpful).
Thanks for your time and interest. Its good to get comments. My friend who referred me to Cliffs (he has met you and done seminars with you on being a PUA
) said lots of people read your posts so dont be put off that you dont get many comments. He is thrilled that I am giving back.
Friends
Probably the one guy who has really mastered the art of staying friends with women he's sleeping with is Johnny Soporno. Johnny has women who have been in and out of his life over 15-20 years - they get married and stop seeing him, get divorced and then come back, that type of thing. He basically never breaks up with them because he never is actually "seeing them" in the first place. He will tell a woman that he'll never be her boyfriend, never be her husband, but that he can be a real friend. (As a side note, I remember once mentioning that to a woman and she remarked how attractive that was.) Johnny is completely up front with women and he is often out with 5-6 women in tow wherever he goes. And the friendship he has with each of them is similar to how you are friends with your guy friends (but it's clearly a friendship with benefits, and usually one that will bring other women into the picture). You can check out some of his stuff at www.worthyplayboys.com.
As for topic 3, you brought up the idea of writing on porn stars and actresses.
I think my main point is that I have reached a point in my life where I don't want to be holding back what I really think when I talk to a woman and not being honest only makes you uncomfortable sooner or later. This is really a sign of a feeling of scarcity - that you will say almost anything not to lose her even something that compromises your values that you wouldn't say in any other situation. Being able to say what you really think and hold to your convictions is what makes you a man and, if you hold firm to your beliefs, will be very attractive to women even if it isn't what you think she wants to hear.
OK
Thanks for the tips.
I will give it some thought on the up front stuff. I am starting with a new GF
next week (going to her place for dinner and breakfast :-). So far the topic hasnt come up. I am moving into single girl territory, this one seems less possessive, no less interested though, so I will give it a shot and see what happens. (My first red head and she is a firey fiesty type. Her opening line to me once we moved to my private email from the website was "You are sooo hot. Who do I have to shoot to get you into bed?" Man has my life changed.)
I am troubled by the whole veracity thing. Its very unlike me not to be completely honest. However, they want to be the only one So Much, I like to give them what they want.
Truth
Unfortunately women have been socialized to act and say certain things which they truly believe are what they want. The reality is that the traditional monogamous long term relationship seems to fall apart more often than it stays together. Some guys have come to the realization that trying to restrict women to one guy and multiple women may be good in theory, it's also a potentially frail relationship structure over the long term. That's not to say I don't sympathize with those thoughts - I think I would personally have a hard time with a woman seeing other guys over the course of an LTR
but I do understand that trying to restrict someone is usually a prescription for them to go and do what they are being told not to do. Some guys, like Johnny, take it to another level (he insists that he cannot be the only man they are sleeping with).
What I started off saying, though, is that despite all their protestations about wanting monogamy and not being into women, it's been my experience that all women are interested, curious, or have experimented already with women. I've dated women who insisted they weren't into women and then when I got to know them better I found out the truth (where they had a lot of experience, much more than you would think based on how much they denied an interest earlier in the relationship). As for other men, the more you give someone their freedom the more they don't seem to want to exercise it (there are, of course, major exceptions to that but those women usually aren't giving you the gears to be monogamous). The bottom line seems to be that we don't seem to be cut out for long term monogamous (Steve P. often interchanges that word with "monotonous") relationships and I think it's better to be upfront and honest about this than to later on have to deal with changing feelings and expectations.
My thought
Given that I met these women through an affairs site (Ashley Madison) I would be naive to think all of them are sleeping only with me. For starters there is hubby while they are still interested in him, although most of them say the thing that drives them to the site is zero sex life. Having said that the ones I stay "friends" with are either superb actresses, or are telling me the truth (that is, its only me they want). Interestingly, I go through stages where I want just The One to wake up with every day. However, I enjoy the chase and especially the moment when you know they are yours.
It may be a function of the women attracted to the site but the ones I have met that advertise they are bisexual are at best flighty and usually have "issues". But I live in hope. So far a threesome is a big gap on my resume and right at the top of my To Do List. I am mixing in the right circles now, so it will happen.
At present I am going back and converting women that I messed up somehow on the way through (usually by trying to meet them too quickly in the seduction process). Its lots of fun and more of a challenge in a different way. I am gearing up to my biggest disappointment. Lots of work to retrieve this one. Fantastic lady, a bit quirky in a good way, we hit it off super over dinner and agreed to have a dinner and "dessert" date at her place (she is single), she came on to me in a romantic way as well and I reacted to that and sent her one email too many and it spooked her. Lol (this from a woman thats says "I want to know all about you. Everything!" with full on dreamy eyes and total submission) I think she spooked herself as she wanted to stay detached and realised where it was going. I am mature enough at this now to stay detached which should suit her. But it will be tough as she is pissed at me now. You might say why bother? Well the answer is, I hate to lose, I like a challenge and she is a perfect choice for me.
:D Like The Post
I would agree. You have no reason to deal with such drama; you knew the situation and the consequences that may have followed. I admire that you sent M a Email and I would agree on your friends advise to come back on the guy hard after she left him, because that is just the jealousy coming out from him. It sounded very funny to me that M would say she could see anyone but you lmao. Now you’re on to someone new, it’s important to not be caught up in that drama. I would stay away from the business cards as well. Very interesting post. (Keep it real PUA
)
To the comments: Honesty in my opinion is the key. You don't want be demoralized, so be upfront and if they are unwilling to go along with that I would just move on. The fun is in the seduction and in the image as alpha you are portraying. If you want to go around breaking hearts with all kinds of lies and deception I have only one statement of advice. Karma is a bitch lol. If you go around being upfront no reason to think of it as anything but "Game." But what do I kno.......
Can't wait for the next post :D